Bye bye T-stat ?

JFD

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In order to improve my cooling, I've been reading all threads
about radiator, T-stat mod and others intents to improve the D2
cooling capacity.

My D2 is not going to see cold weather any time soon, may be
70? F on a january morning, so is there any reason against
getting rid of thermostat ?

Top radiator to engine top and bottom radiator to water pump
and be done with it.

Thoughts ?
 

Ol'Drippy

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Not totally relevant but I removed the thermostat on my DI for a looong time due to it running hot and did not see any noticeable consequences.
 

SSped

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The thermostat moderates the speed of the coolant flow through the system. Without it in there the coolant will pass through the radiator to fast and not have time to disapate off the heat from it. Under hotter conditions it will cause the engine to run to hot or overheat without it in there. On the other side it will take longer for the engine to heat up when the car is cold since the coolant is not being held back in the block.

Short answer is yes it has a important purpose and will be missed.
 

Mongo

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funny, I don't run one in my D1 and have had zero issues with 115 degree heat in Tucson...and if somethings going to overheat, it's my D1...
 

Jake1996D1

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Mongo said:
funny, I don't run one in my D1 and have had zero issues with 115 degree heat in Tucson...and if somethings going to overheat, it's my D1...

Well your trucks already 3/4 of the way heated up before you even turn it on ha
 

Mongo

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lol...no shit, gotta love when the temp gauge reads normal with just turning on the ignition...
 

btp98w

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Ran without one for over a year in my 89 RRC without any problems. Summers get blazing hot and humid here and once again no problems with overheating, not even close. The only downside was no heat in the cooler months lol.
 

JFD

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wheelen disco said:
I don't think there'll be much of an issue with heat absorption with our plugged up slow rovers. In my dads drag car we run restriction plates instead of a t stat

Restriction plates ? heat absorption ?
 

DarylJ

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JFD said:
Restriction plates ? heat absorption ?

The theory goes that if you move the water through the block and radiator too quickly it doesn't have enough time to conduct heat from the block or conduct heat to the radiator, so you end up overheating eventually.

One of Newton's laws says:
Q[heat transfer] = q A[surface area] = h[average heat xfer coefficient ] A[turface area](T[body] − T∞) = h[average heat xfer coefficient] A[surface area]∆T[temperature differential]

Which comes down to heat transfer (Q) is proportional to the surface area (A) and the temperature differential (∆T). So that means that the higher the temperature differential between the coolant and the surfaces it flows through, the easier it will be able to transmit heat (through conduction and radiation in this situation). This means that the only variable you have to control in a cooling system (without modifying it other than thermostat/restrictor plate versus nothing) is flow volume. With a lower flow volume being more efficient up to the boiling point of the coolant (which is bad for conductivity).

So there is a basic fluid dynamics argument that this can be true.

In reality its much more likely that the vehicles that creep to a steady overheat without a t-stat are either flowing poorly through the radiator at higher water velocities (flow pattern matters A LOT in a hear exchanger) or the water pump is caveating without the additional restriction in the system.

And that's all the physics I can handle for this time in the morning, and about as well as I can handle explaining it.
 

rovercanus

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Julien, are you having overheat problems? If not, leave it alone. If so, fix it.
 

JFD

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rovercanus said:
Julien, are you having overheat problems? If not, leave it alone. If so, fix it.

Not yet, but I feel like running on the edge most of the time.
Traffic jam, A/C on all the time and summer temperatures
all year long are making me nervous about my cooling.
I wrapped the headers already, will get rid of cats soon,
and planning to put 2 matched pusher fans in front of A/C
condensator.
 

DarylJ

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JFD said:
Not yet, but I feel like running on the edge most of the time.

You "feel like" you are, or you know you are (because you have a separate temperature gauge that is actually accurate or are at least reading the ECT value)?
 

DarylJ

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JFD said:
So far just a feeling based on common sense.

I'm not sure what that means, other than "I have no idea, but I think it's bad."

Data and observations are how you detect, diagnose and solve problems. "Feelings" and guessing is how you empty your wallet.