Canadian Seal Hunt & McCartneys

Alan

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Hey folks,

For any of you who are aware of this, Paul & Heather McCartney were on Larry King this evening protesting the Canadian seal hunt with the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams.

I just wanted to find out what you folks thought about the whole matter, pros, cons, both sides of the issue, etc.
 

DiscoS2

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Alan said:
Hey folks,

For any of you who are aware of this, Paul & Heather McCartney were on Larry King this evening protesting the Canadian seal hunt with the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams.

I just wanted to find out what you folks thought about the whole matter, pros, cons, both sides of the issue, etc.

I think that British celebrities should stay the fuck out of Canadian politics. Actually, all celebs should shut the hell up in general.
That aside, I think the whole thing is pretty disturbing, not just the brutality, but the frivilous nature of it. I think the hunt should be reserved for the Innu and Inuits for meat and skins.
 

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DiscoS2 said:
I think that British celebrities should stay the fuck out of Canadian politics. Actually, all celebs should shut the hell up in general.
That aside, I think the whole thing is pretty disturbing, not just the brutality, but the frivilous nature of it. I think the hunt should be reserved for the Innu and Inuits for meat and skins.

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KEJ

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Alan said:
Hey folks,

For any of you who are aware of this, Paul & Heather McCartney were on Larry King this evening protesting the Canadian seal hunt with the Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams.

I just wanted to find out what you folks thought about the whole matter, pros, cons, both sides of the issue, etc.

Well, look who the sled dogs just hauled in, ALAN! So good to see you!

I got some mail about the McCartneys' protest today and I didn't make time to read it all. Generally, I can't help but feel very negatively about the hunt. I'm no scholar on the subject, history, etc., but on a visceral level it's upsetting.

Last night I saw part of a documentary called "Dealing Dogs". It was about dogs being sold for lab animals. Many were obviously someone's pet. I had the same feeling of upset. I'm an animal person, domestic or wild, so violence unto them upsets me. I also recognize that life is filled with contradictions and so am I.

KJ
 

bri

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DiscoS2 said:
I think that British celebrities should stay the fuck out of Canadian politics. Actually, all celebs should shut the hell up in general.
That aside, I think the whole thing is pretty disturbing, not just the brutality, but the frivilous nature of it. I think the hunt should be reserved for the Innu and Inuits for meat and skins.

Why should they stay out/shut up more than anyone else? It gonna get rough up there without ice soon, for everyone, people, seals, bears, etc. Great lakes-- no ice. Hudson bay lowest for a very long time...
 
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So, saving some seals is going to bring the ice back?
 

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bri said:
Why should they stay out/shut up more than anyone else? It gonna get rough up there without ice soon, for everyone, people, seals, bears, etc. Great lakes-- no ice. Hudson bay lowest for a very long time...

Ya, and it's too bad the ice left Northern California too.
 

bri

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I do not understand your posts. All I did was mention that the ice is going away and its going to get rough. It will likely effect the wildlife up there including seals and polar bears. Good or bad, its likely.

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DiscoS2 said:
I think that British celebrities should stay the fuck out of Canadian politics. Actually, all celebs should shut the hell up in general.
As I was driving home the other day, Sean Hannity was railing about actors making public statments about and getting involved in public policy matters. It was really funny considering his long and extensive "interview", sucking up to and soliciting the opinion of Mel Gibson when Terri Schiavo was in the news.
Of course, Mel Gibson is catholic and agreed with Hannity, so I guess he's allowed. :p
 

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Hey KJ. Speaking of sled dogs, did you see Eight Below?

More than anything I sometimes just wonder about celebrities who decide to take up a cause. Most don't seem informed enough and end up spouting all kinds of ridiculous things. That may not be necessarily the situation in this case but I just have problems with celebrities who live in ivory towers telling others how to live or what to do.

In this case, they want seal hunting stopped but they don't address what is driving this seal hunt. If the demand for the fur dropped, the financial incentive disappears. As long as the incentive is there, the hunt will continue whether the Canadian gov't bans it or not. Poaching isn't all that hard to do in those regions.

As for the ice caps melting, we'll have a bigger problem on our hands than seal hunting if they do in fact melt completely. We've already started to notice a change in climate around here. Our winters are wayyyy warmer than they should be and it wasn't until maybe a week ago that we got snow. That's unheard of for here. Unfortunately we reap what we sow if human activity is in fact the direct cause for what's happening.
 
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KEJ

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Alan said:
Hey KJ. Speaking of sled dogs, did you see Eight Below?

Hi Alan! No, I didn't see the movie, but I heard all about it from my little girls (students). They all cried and all screamed at the same times, from the several different reports I heard. The seal coming out of the whale's body really got their attention! I was impressed when one of my kids, who is failing nearly all her classes, went into a detailed account of the film, naming all the animals, etc., with much passion. Who says kids can't learn from movies?

KJ
 

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Canadians need the seal hunt because baby seals are the only thing they can beat up on. :D
 

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Seal hunting sucks, but so does McCartney... I have seen films of the hunt, it takes a really big man to drag a baby seal out of its den and club it to death. maybe the melting ice will swallow up some of those pukes.....
 
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Seal hunting may be brutal however i think it's needed. We've screwed up the enviroment so badly that the natural predators of seal is not in high numbers to limit the seal population.
They stopped seal hunting awhile ago and now the seal population is so high that the seals are killing off the fishing industry or added to the demise of it.
Don't really agree with but i think it's necessity.
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I don't mind in the least celebtities getting publicity over any policy or other matter. Before we take up any cause it is incumbent on us the get all of the facts. They are stating what their opinion is and we, as a celebrity obsessed culture, give them publicity. You can agree, disagree or ignore the whole circus.
Part of having a democracy and free speech is allowing people to express themselves whether we agree with them or not. We, Canadians, do not have much experience with people disagreeing with us and tend to take great umbrage that anyone would. A holier than thou attitude.
We would do good to look to our neighbours to the south and learn lessons from them. Free speech and democracy is just not for those that agree with us.
 
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KEJ

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blkbear said:
Part of having a democracy and free speech is allowing people to express themselves whether we agree with them or not. We, Canadians, do not have much experience with people disagreeing with us and tend to take great umbrage that anyone would. A holier than thou attitude.
We would do good to look to our neighbours to the south and learn lessons from them. Free speech and democracy is just not for those that agree with us.

Hmmmm....good idea blkbear, but I'm not so sure it's happening as you and probably both think it should down here, either!

KJ ;)
 

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Alan said:
Our winters are wayyyy warmer than they should be and it wasn't until maybe a week ago that we got snow. That's unheard of for here. Unfortunately we reap what we sow if human activity is in fact the direct cause for what's happening.

it was 90 degrees here in dallas last week...we had grass fires for a big chunk of the christmas season and just 2 weeks ago there was a grass fire on the border with oklahoma so big you could smell it here. i am worried about when the mosquitos start hatching...west nile will be a real pill this year.

good luck to us all...
 

Alan

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"Before we take up any cause it is incumbent on us the get all of the facts."

This is how it should be but not usually the case. Depending on who the interest group is that seeks out the celebrity, they are only given info from one perspective. Whether that's the case in this situation or not, I can't say but if you listen, rarely do they address the root of the problem. The McCartneys only focussed on the actual hunt and the methods of hunting used. They wanted the Canadian gov't to ban the hunt so let's say they do but do you think the fisherman who has a family to feed and is just scraping by is going to stop when he knows there's a demand for seal fur on the blackmarket and it's going to help put food on the table??? Short sighted protests like this annoy me because all they see is the gruesomeness of something but they forget to realize that something drives these actions.

Banning seal hunts isn't solving the problem. That's just policy and rallying support around the world to boycott Canadian seafood products is a short sighted means of solving the problem. If there's no demand, there's no incentive, hunting stops.

This situation could apply to hunting polar bears, black rhinos, tigers, etc.

As far as I'm concerned I could do without these hunts but there's more to it than what the McCartney's will have you believe.