Confederate Statues In Nola coming down?

discostew

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Don't know if any of you guys noticed this cause for some reason it's not national news. But the city Council in New Orleans has voted 5 to 1 to remove 4 statues around the city. People are both celebrating and protesting. This could get ugly.
 

slangel

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It's my hometown, it's more than likely not going to get ugly....aside from what media is showing, it's not being made into a huge issue. People calmed down once they realized that Jackson Square wasn't going to be touched.

Edited to add - the statues are being moved to either a museum or a dedicated civil war park.
 

Eliot

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The Telegraph, writing about efforts to remove a statue of Cecil Rhodes.

Even more depressing than the pusillanimity here is the utter imbecility. As the great historian Herbert Butterfield wrote in 1931: “The study of the past with one eye upon the present is the source of all sins and sophistries in history. It is the essence of what we mean by the word 'unhistorical’.”

In every age, some people like to posture by comparing their ethical standards favourably to that of a past generation. It’s the most facile kind of virtue signalling, because it allows you to look down on dead heroes. Thomas Jefferson may have written the most sublime constitution on Earth, but he owned slaves! Winston Churchill may have saved Europe from Nazism, but he had unenlightened views about India! Florence Nightingale may… oh, you get the idea.

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People calmed down once they realized that Jackson Square wasn't going to be touched.

Jackson is a poorly understood man, so it's only a matter of time before they come calling for his head as well.
 

slangel

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I hadn't read that part but I will miss driving around Lee circle.

Yeah, it's going to be different. I think here would have been more outcry if there wasn't a plan to move the statues to another area. I understand why many want them removed, but as said by others, it is part of history and you can't erase what happened.
 

slangel

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Jackson is a poorly understood man, so it's only a matter of time before they come calling for his head as well.


I have no doubt that it will happen and that's when there will probably be a lot more rumbling over it.
 

Eliot

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What gets me is the fact many other Civil War Confederate monuments/statues in the Southeast are not being touched.

The law in Virginia prevents municipalities from taking them down. It would have to go through the state house, and it would never get traction there.
 

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If putting them in a museum (assuming that's what happens) saves them from this bullshit:

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...It's probably the best way to protect them. They'd be destroyed by vandals eventually.

People don't realize what they're doing when they demand items and practices they find offensive be removed or made illegal. It's a very slippery slope. It's also a slope that illuminates everyone sliding down it as a damned fool for either causing it or letting it happen.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

brian4d

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If putting them in a museum (assuming that's what happens) saves them from this bullshit:

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...It's probably the best way to protect them. They'd be destroyed by vandals eventually.

No, I disagree. They need to be in public and enjoyed by all. For the few that vandalize them we'll do what we always do. Clean the off, try to protect them better and move on. With security camera tech. now-a-days there is really no excuses for this. I could wire up good cameras for under $200.00, if that's even needed. The statue in Salisbury is in the downtown square. Don't know if anyone would have enough balls to touch that one.

On the Salisbury Statue:

Northeast (right) base: THEY GAVE THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FORTUNES FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTY AND STATE SOVEREIGNTY IN OBEDIENCE TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS WHO FRAMED THE CONSTITUTION AND ESTABLISHED THE UNION OF THESE STATES
 

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http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/13/englands-uncertain-future

I don't like the Guardian, much, but I enjoyed this piece. The author is writing about the reemergence of an English identity.

We’re still here, say the flags. There are more of them every year, and they appear to be the most visible aspect of that coalescing English voice, one that hasn’t been heard for a long time, but which is growing in volume. What that voice will end up saying is now the big question.

We're still here captures my feelings on the flag, and on the memorials.

A nation, in other words, is about belonging – to a specific place that is not quite like another place, and to a collective of people you share things with. This kind of belonging can be stifling or liberating, and sometimes both at once, but at its best it gives us a mooring in space and time, without which we are liable to be washed away.

I like being a southerner. I like living in a place where honor still matters, and where tradition is still valued. I do worry that we'll lose that as the region changes.