Cops shooting dogs
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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8955864
The dog didn't die, but the cop shot him twice. I hate to say this, but If someone shot my dog I wouldn't hesitate to return the favor.
The dog didn't die, but the cop shot him twice. I hate to say this, but If someone shot my dog I wouldn't hesitate to return the favor.
One of my neighbors back where I grew up was in narcotics. He often complained that some drug dealer turns loose his dogs on the police. So he has to shoot the dogs...but his biggest complaint was the paperwork for discharging his weapon.
He was a nice guy and I liked him but make no mistake, if a dog charges a cop, they will shoot it. Most of the dogs they deal with are being used as weapons...not a family pet protecting their owners.
Its a very, very sad thing when a pet is killed due to a misunderstanding. However for every pet that is killed accidentally, some #^&*$&$#@#%&#$^#$ useless drug dealer turns 10 loose on a cop.
Lastly, some dogs act different when the owner isn't there. Dunno what causes this (probably just being a dog) so that doesn't help.
He was a nice guy and I liked him but make no mistake, if a dog charges a cop, they will shoot it. Most of the dogs they deal with are being used as weapons...not a family pet protecting their owners.
Its a very, very sad thing when a pet is killed due to a misunderstanding. However for every pet that is killed accidentally, some #^&*$&$#@#%&#$^#$ useless drug dealer turns 10 loose on a cop.
Lastly, some dogs act different when the owner isn't there. Dunno what causes this (probably just being a dog) so that doesn't help.
I'll take the other side for the sake of discussion. I'd be interested to hear any of our LE Dwebber's opinion(s) on this as my experience is solely overseas based.
I think its easy to judge in these discreet situations because everyone imagines their dog getting killed by the cops and, at least as written, the circumstances and context make the killing difficult to understand. I doubt too many folks are here are using their dogs for indications and warning of a raid against their drug lab and/or as part of a layered defense to permit them time to get rid of evidence, flee, or prepare to resist the incursion with their own weapons either, so we're not reading about those situations that LE deals with all the time too. So while the stuff that is described in those links tugs at heart strings because it (often) was a mistake or an error in judgement we don't see the whole context.
We certainly don't see what the police are going through when they try to serve a someone (though one of the examples actually intimates that)
Or the shit sandwich that is responding to yet another domestic violence call where nobody wins, especially the cop trying to break it up. (also one of the examples, albeit being sent to the wrong addy-not the cop on the street's fault more than likely)
I guess my point is not to be too quick to judge without attempting to understand what they're going through everyday down on the line.
I know my experience is OCONUS, but I have to tell you-killing dogs is why a lot of my kids had suppressors on their M4's; if it's a choice between getting blown as you are preparing for-or executing-a mission or the dog-the dog is going to go. That's especially true when we're using our own Military Working Dogs as part of the team. Different scenario to a degree but there is some crossover in terms of the mentality about protecting the force and such.
Moreover, it's certainly not an epidemic. Influenza is currently an epidemic. Obesity in American is an epidemic. This is just some unfortunate stuff that got posted on the internet.
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Ray
I think its easy to judge in these discreet situations because everyone imagines their dog getting killed by the cops and, at least as written, the circumstances and context make the killing difficult to understand. I doubt too many folks are here are using their dogs for indications and warning of a raid against their drug lab and/or as part of a layered defense to permit them time to get rid of evidence, flee, or prepare to resist the incursion with their own weapons either, so we're not reading about those situations that LE deals with all the time too. So while the stuff that is described in those links tugs at heart strings because it (often) was a mistake or an error in judgement we don't see the whole context.
We certainly don't see what the police are going through when they try to serve a someone (though one of the examples actually intimates that)
Or the shit sandwich that is responding to yet another domestic violence call where nobody wins, especially the cop trying to break it up. (also one of the examples, albeit being sent to the wrong addy-not the cop on the street's fault more than likely)
I guess my point is not to be too quick to judge without attempting to understand what they're going through everyday down on the line.
I know my experience is OCONUS, but I have to tell you-killing dogs is why a lot of my kids had suppressors on their M4's; if it's a choice between getting blown as you are preparing for-or executing-a mission or the dog-the dog is going to go. That's especially true when we're using our own Military Working Dogs as part of the team. Different scenario to a degree but there is some crossover in terms of the mentality about protecting the force and such.
Moreover, it's certainly not an epidemic. Influenza is currently an epidemic. Obesity in American is an epidemic. This is just some unfortunate stuff that got posted on the internet.
r-
Ray
Some of those dogs were pretty small. I can't imagine those were going to be actual attacks on the officers. I don't think that these guys want to kill dogs, but i don't know. Come to think of it, there is a local story here where a retired cop shot his neighbors dog for barking aggressively at his chicken coop. He said he was protecting the chickens.....that were in an enclosed coop. Maybe all these guys are just afraid of dogs. Maybe there should be mandatory training to learn about dogs, just a few hours here and there.
There are very good reasons for those events within military endeavors. Distasteful as they may be, such action is required, at times. The mission may mandate that all assets be secured unconditionally.
This is different than a panicked police officer shooting a fucking dog in a common U.S. neighborhood.
His circumstance is incomparable.
I've endured my share of dangerous animals but we, as self-ordained stewards of this world, have a responsibility to protect them.
Animals do not know evil.
I'll kill them to eat, but beyond that, I avoid it at nearly all costs. If I can survive the animals I've encountered without killing them, a cop can survive a damned dog.
I'll not hide my lack of faith in our law enforcement community, but my experience has shown that these points are reasonable.
Cheers,
Kennith
This is different than a panicked police officer shooting a fucking dog in a common U.S. neighborhood.
His circumstance is incomparable.
I've endured my share of dangerous animals but we, as self-ordained stewards of this world, have a responsibility to protect them.
Animals do not know evil.
I'll kill them to eat, but beyond that, I avoid it at nearly all costs. If I can survive the animals I've encountered without killing them, a cop can survive a damned dog.
I'll not hide my lack of faith in our law enforcement community, but my experience has shown that these points are reasonable.
Cheers,
Kennith
lynchee said:
My wife and I have a 17lbs Spoodle, coolest, nicest dog in the world. Honestly, he looks like stuffed animal. Our neighbor is a retired postal worker. The first day he met Hudson he went running right for our neighbor to say hello, I never seen an older person (in his 70's) jump so high and lock up like he did. I truly believe he thought our little spoodle was going to kill or severely mangle him. Weird.
Most people dont know the difference between and aggressive dog and a dog that is protective.
Ive had and instance where I found myself face to face with a stray aggressive dog... I stood my ground and acted unphased.. We had a standoff for about 5 minutes before he slowly backed down and went the other way..
No doudt in my mind that if that had happened to anybody else they would have made the mistake of running or panicking.A cop as we already know would of just shot him.
My point is that knowledge is greater than the sword.
Ive had and instance where I found myself face to face with a stray aggressive dog... I stood my ground and acted unphased.. We had a standoff for about 5 minutes before he slowly backed down and went the other way..
No doudt in my mind that if that had happened to anybody else they would have made the mistake of running or panicking.A cop as we already know would of just shot him.
My point is that knowledge is greater than the sword.
Oh and the best piece of advice I could anybody is dont lock eyes with a dog you dont know.. Its a form of a "challenge" Thats the number one mistake people make when meeting dogs for the first time. That and "puppy talk"
I don't like dogs. I especially don't like dogs with owners that let them poop all over the place and don't clean it up.
I don't want a big sloppy dog tongue on my face, nor do I want cute little (or big) doggie footprints on my clothes.
Some dog owners really need to realize not everyone thinks their pet is just the cutest thing.
When my kids were toddlers, they were "just the cutest little things!"
I didn't let them run up to people and jump on their legs, why do you let your dog do that?
I don't want a big sloppy dog tongue on my face, nor do I want cute little (or big) doggie footprints on my clothes.
Some dog owners really need to realize not everyone thinks their pet is just the cutest thing.
When my kids were toddlers, they were "just the cutest little things!"
I didn't let them run up to people and jump on their legs, why do you let your dog do that?
With my dogs, I'm ever careful of situations such as these...
I have two large German Shepherds and while friendly...200lbs of fur and wet kisses can be terrifying for some folks.
I've actually been pulled over by MP's while traveling with my Boy in the back...He's the bigger and more aggressive of the two. I've always heard the story of the family dog being shot while a family dog watches in terror as Skippy goes up to jump on the LEO so I was weary.
I held him by his collar with one hand as he verbally assaulted the two MP's on either side of my Disco. We both knew if I let go of him to free my hand up to reach for my License that he was coming out of the window and nobody wanted that....they told me to slow down and let me off with a warning.
I now only travel with them in the back of my pickup in a locked camper top to keep them secure in a case where I might be pulled over. It's safer for everyone.
I have two large German Shepherds and while friendly...200lbs of fur and wet kisses can be terrifying for some folks.
I've actually been pulled over by MP's while traveling with my Boy in the back...He's the bigger and more aggressive of the two. I've always heard the story of the family dog being shot while a family dog watches in terror as Skippy goes up to jump on the LEO so I was weary.
I held him by his collar with one hand as he verbally assaulted the two MP's on either side of my Disco. We both knew if I let go of him to free my hand up to reach for my License that he was coming out of the window and nobody wanted that....they told me to slow down and let me off with a warning.
I now only travel with them in the back of my pickup in a locked camper top to keep them secure in a case where I might be pulled over. It's safer for everyone.
jim-00-4.6 said:
Everyone is different that's for sure. I have never met any man that doesn't like dogs. Maybe it's because we never make it to that point of conversation or maybe there very few men that don't like dogs. Not sure.
jim-00-4.6 said:
I can agree with this. I've had friends and acquaintances with jackass untrained dogs jumping all over everyone that comes in the door, licking you, slobbering on you, nose in your crotch, etc. Fuck that shit. I also can't stand the morons that can't do anything in life for more than 2 hours at a time because they have to go let little Boo-Boo out to shit in the yard.
Blue said:
Its all how the owners train or dont train the dog. Same goes for peoples kids.. Ever been at a nice restaurant only to have a baby screaming and yelling at the table behind you? Same thing!
brian4d said:
Dude he has been bit. I have seen a dacshund do pretty nasty stuff keep your spoodle under control, apparently you are clueless about what your little dog can accomplish. Unlikely to kill yes, but cause bad injury to a 70 year old. Absolutely.
More annoying than the uncontrolled dog, is the owner standing by watching.
If your little spoodle came running into my yard and I felt like it might bite me it would get a swift punt back to your yard and I could care less at that point what harm I caused it.
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