D1 cylinder sleeves and massive oil consumption?

[archaeology_student]

Quick question:

Whole top end of my '97 discovery 5 speed 4.0L engine was rebuilt, PCV is clean, new head gasket professionally installed, new rear main seal, and a fresh change of fluids...

Drove 600km and the engine oil (Motul 5W40 full synthetic) was almost empty... Had to top up 5 litres.

No smoke, no oil on the ground...

Mechanic said I have no cylinder sleeves... A friend says I should have cylinder sleeves... Ideas on this?

Ideas as to what's going on with oil consumption?

 

[5x6.5]

Yes you have cylinder sleeves

No leaks?

You say it doesn't burn oil, If you had a bad sleeve youre problems would be worse than just oil consumption. Check all of the oil lines going to the cooler. Check the back of the valve covers. Thats a lot of oil to leak in just 600K. It seems if you were burning it youd be leaving a trail of smoke behind you.

 

[archaeology_student]

5x6.5 thank you for the reply!

Synthetic doesn't burn blue someone told me... I did notice whitish smoke since the listed repairs and my coolant level has not dropped...

Engine was removed and everything in the engine bay was cleaned, and no oil anywhere even the rear where you mention.

Apparently I have/had no cylinder sleeves in my engine.

 

[ERover82]

It has sleeves as sure as it has crank shaft. Without sleeves you'd have zero compression.

 

[singingcamel]

First of all , I'd find a new mechanic, sleeves are as obvious with the the heads off. He must not know what a sleeved engine looks like . Hmmm.
Did he do all the work? Hmmm
My brother changed out he' oil for mobile on on his 2007 chevy truck and 1 week later it was down 3 qrts, never did find where it went , needless to say he did'nt go back with synthetics.

Did you check the oil when the work was finished by chance?

 

[p m]

First of all , I'd find a new mechanic, sleeves are as obvious with the the heads off. He must not know what a sleeved engine looks like . Hmmm.
Did he do all the work? Hmmm
Did you check the oil when the work was finished by chance?

What he said.

 

[archaeology_student]

Thanks for the replies!

The oil consumption happened after taking it to a rover mechanic a few years back...

The mechanic sent the the work out to a machine shop and he is following up with them because when it came from them he said the sleeves were gone.

We did notice that the PCV hose was connected to the valve cover but was not connected to the intake, we attached it... I topped up the engine oil with Castrol 5w30 (non synthetic) about 5 litres and put 50km on the engine today after that.

Points of interest: no more puffs of white smoke at all and oil seems level... Gonna take it for a rip tonight and get another 100km and then check the oil again and report back.

Thanks for all the feedback and help, it's much appreciated.

 

[archaeology_student]

The mechanic put in a 20w50 engine oil, and after a rip up to Whistler, B.C. and back (500 km) I lost about 1/2 a litre.

I then found the thread where Chris-St Louis talked about Shell Rotella T 15w40 having the ZDDP and HTHS ratings required for the flat tappet engines.

I came home and switched to 76 Lubricants Gaurdol ECT 15w40 (ZDDP 12,600 and HTHS 4.4) with liquid titanium... I also went with a Napa Gold 1515 oil filter...

No leaks thus far and the engine purrs after 200 km with the 76 oil. I checked the oil and it is no longer dirty or black looking as it was with the Motul 5w40 and the Castrol 5w30, and most importantly not disappearing!

I will keep an eye on my oil and change the oil every 3,000-4,000 km.

 

[listerdiesel]

A 'good' engine shouldn't use much oil at all between changes, and if it does, it is either burning it or throwing it out.

Low viscosity oils can be a problem, we use 10W-40 in our V8, it is also detergent oil rather than just petrol engine oil. We have found that a good compromise and being a diesel oil it keeps the engine very nicely clean internally.

I reckon we use about half to three-quarters of a pint in 8000 miles or so. I keep a drop of the oil in a container in the back of the car, never need much at all.

Peter

 

[seventyfive]

A 'good' engine shouldn't use much oil at all between changes, and if it does, it is either burning it or throwing it out.

Low viscosity oils can be a problem, we use 10W-40 in our V8, it is also detergent oil rather than just petrol engine oil. We have found that a good compromise and being a diesel oil it keeps the engine very nicely clean internally.

I reckon we use about half to three-quarters of a pint in 8000 miles or so. I keep a drop of the oil in a container in the back of the car, never need much at all.

Peter

ALL engines consume oil. you are incorrect. if it does not consume oil, you are using the wrong viscosity. wether 'blowby' or proper crank case ventilation, in which manifold and port vacuum will suck oil in and be re-burned with blow by gasses. ALL engines consume oil.

call Dave Granquist at Redline Oil, and discuss oil consumption. http://www.redlineoil.com/contact.aspx

 

[kennith]

The mechanic sent the the work out to a machine shop and he is following up with them because when it came from them he said the sleeves were gone.

The mechanic is either an idiot, or there has been a severe miscommunication.

Cylinder sleeves (or liners) are in the engine block. Nobody is going to pull the sleeves out of a block for shits and giggles. If someone does pull the sleeves, the owner will know why. He will know why because his wallet will know why. His wallet will know why because he has visited a specialist mechanic.

I don't know this for sure, but I expect the mechanic only sent the heads out for refurbishment, as is common and expected.

If, by some incredibly improbable universal anal rearrangement, the mechanic was referring to any part in the actual heads, and installed the heads on your engine anyway, yes; the engine could toss countless liters of oil into the wind.

If that is the case, immediately buy some rubber boots and a helmet, sell all your stocks, and stay away from fireworks. Your luck has clearly run out.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[archaeology_student]

Geez, what's with all the hostility kennith?

I came here to ask for help and information on areas I am not an expert in. It appears that we solved the oil consumption, and there may have been a misunderstanding on my part with the mechanic I chose to use. We all make mistakes, but we learn from our mistakes.

Anyways, thank you to everyone who has been helpful and taken the time to share their insight and input.

Cheers and have a wonderful day!

 

[kennith]

What was hostile about that? I was being nice.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[listerdiesel]

ALL engines consume oil. you are incorrect. if it does not consume oil, you are using the wrong viscosity. wether 'blowby' or proper crank case ventilation, in which manifold and port vacuum will suck oil in and be re-burned with blow by gasses. ALL engines consume oil.

call Dave Granquist at Redline Oil, and discuss oil consumption. http://www.redlineoil.com/contact.aspx

Sorry, re-read what I said.

I didn't say engines shouldn't consume ANY oil, just NOT MUCH BETWEEN CHANGES.

Peter

 

[KyleT]

Rotella 5w40 and no noticeable level drop over 7500 mile intervals. 196k on the motor.

Black oil is not an indication of condition.

Synthetic will burn blueish, not as blue as Dino.

If it isn't leaking, and it isn't burning, than the only other place for it to go is the coolant. Iirc the radiator houses the oil cooler and will bleed oil into the radiator if it is bad.