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I ran 265/75R16 for years on my D2.
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/ome/indexshocks.php
I ran 265/75R16 for years on my D2.
D2 lifts
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I believe it would be scientifically impossible for a vehicle to handle just like factory with 2" spacers and no rear sway bar.
I use my truck for the same purposes as you - hauling kids, hunting/fishing, etc. I did OME HD springs and OME shocks.
~$800 from Lucky 8 http://lucky8llc.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=2152
For tires I went with 235/85R16. Although I'd say most would recommend the 245 or 265 for D2 with 2"
~$800 from Lucky 8 http://lucky8llc.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=2152
For tires I went with 235/85R16. Although I'd say most would recommend the 245 or 265 for D2 with 2"
Well I didn't have a team of engineers study the effects. However with spacers, the spring rate remains the same, versus lifted springs, so the ride feels very close to the same. And the rear swaybar on the D2 is pretty damn useless, and makes very little noticeable difference when removed.
So no, it did not handle exactly the same, but close. Maybe I should have said "the ride feels close to factory".
I was coming from the perspective that the Terrafirma HD coils I have now are much taller and stiffer than factory. Thus making the ride/handling are much different than factory, when you consider spring rate and castor change.
I was only trying to make the point that if someone wants the vehicle to drive similar to factory and not spend a bunch of money, and the goal they have is to just fit a slightly bigger tire for some light to moderate 4-wheeling, then spacers are not as terrible of an idea as some people say.
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When I replaced my air bags with 2" OME HD springs and shocks (and removed the rear sway bar), I didn't notice an diffrence in ride feel.
Then again, I'm not an F1 driver and I wasn't driving it like a race car either.
Then again, I'm not an F1 driver and I wasn't driving it like a race car either.
What I am saying is that even with stiffer springs and spacers it is impossible for it to ride the same as stock. I have a D1 in my drive way. It has HD OME lift not spacers. I put sway bars ON it and it made a world of difference. Stiff springs are not equal to sway bars.
I also had the ability to drive OME lifted vehicle without sways and jump right into a stock vehicle. It was also very easy to notice the difference.
Regardless of your setup having sway bars ON the system will improve road manners of the vehicle. You might get something close to the ride of stock with swaybars removed and stiffer springs, but it can still have better road manners with sway bars.
I'm running no rear sway, and sway disconnects on the front.....my front has been disconnected for the past 6 months or so.
I like having my front bar, I just found that the rear didn't do much and was not really noticeable when removed.
I don't think you read what I wrote. I said that stock springs, with spacers, and a front swaybar is close to riding like stock while allowing a bigger tire. That is if you want it to ride like stock and want to lift it a bit on a budget. Worked well for me for a while.
Then I wanted more lift, more flex and better towing. Now I have TF HD springs, longer shocks and no spacer. It is way stiffer (thus a less comfortable ride) than stock now. It does better offroad, but on road it is stiffer and the further loss of castor makes it follow lines a bit.
I was simply saying that for "some" people (like the guys doing the occasional mild wheeling), spacer can be a decent idea. That's all.
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2" RTE springs / OME shocks / 235/85r16 bfg at's here. Op, You won't be disappointed with a similar setup for your stated needs.
...And people who take long, rough roads at reasonable speeds.
I've had mine disconnected many times, and it's fine. In a straight line, as well as in mild cornering, there is very little difference. When you begin to push the vehicle, though, the effects begin to appear.
You can still drive it just fine without them, but they do tighten things up a bit. I honestly haven't found too much use for lots of flex, but once you take those things off things improve dramatically in that regard.
Stiffer springs, whether they are Land Rover parts or aftermarket, will certainly compensate to a degree. You've got to get it to the limit, or on slippery surfaces at speed for the drawbacks to appear.
Sway bars perform a far different service than springs, though. Removing them will indeed have an effect in the handling department, but for the most part, it's going to be irrelevant. I don't see why anyone should feel they need to have them installed.
If they are worth the sacrifice, you already know whether or not you need to keep them up there.
I'm keeping mine on this time around, because they are a royal pain in the ass to install and remove with only one person. I like them in many circumstances. On the trail, it's good to remove or disconnect them, but without the ability to simply remove a pin to make it happen, I've decided it's just not worth fucking with it.
I've got disconnects, though. I simply never installed them. It's on the list now, for those events in which I might decide to enjoy a bit of flex.
Cheers,
Kennith
THANKS !!! ricybean and Stu454 and everyone else who contributed..For the Fantastic Links That certainly answered a lot of Questions .. You Guys are all Great and lots of Help. Now who's got a Dis 1 with auto trans that don't need the Hi Lo Lock no lock setup My Hands are now open ! then I will worry about the lift 2" and 265 75 16 Tires.. Thanks again !!!
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IMO, Stock Springs and Spacers and no rear sway would be worse than the same HD setup. I totally understand your reasoning on cheap lift. But there is cheaper... just swap front and rear springs... or was it that only works on RRC?
I ran without swaybars for many years, in fact I always said that I could not tell. I am now convinced that they make a handling difference on road and "rallying". If I ever feel I need additional flex it will be via disconnects, not removal.
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I got mine off CL from a person parting one out, 75 shipped. Check places like Denver, Seattle and Portland for a parting rig.