Mike_Rupp said:
Mike,
You put my feelings about the LR3 perfectly. Its a compromise vehicle, catered strictly to the luxury SUV market. Period.
Mike,
You put my feelings about the LR3 perfectly. Its a compromise vehicle, catered strictly to the luxury SUV market. Period.
I was thinking about this on the drive home last night. The only electrickery in the D1 I'm willing to "accept" is the stuff needed for emissions. And of course lighting. Every other thing is an annoyance. Even including the electric windows and door locks, though at least the door locks will still work if the actuator motor dies.
what about the auto dim mirror? you gotta have that! oh and the heated seats too. 
oh nevermind. you have a 95.
oh nevermind. you have a 95.In Australia, and most likely UK and South Africa, they proudly put in big letters LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3 on the rear tail gate and market it as a Discovery.
Its only you Americans that have a brand problem!!
Cheers
Its only you Americans that have a brand problem!!
Cheers
i'm glad it is called an LR3. it's embarrasing enough. the Discovery name on the back would just add salt to the wound.
in a way i am glad the name Discovery is gone here in the US. the LR3 isn't a Discovery. the run is over. the Rolling Stones should do the same.
God save the Queen.
in a way i am glad the name Discovery is gone here in the US. the LR3 isn't a Discovery. the run is over. the Rolling Stones should do the same.
God save the Queen.
yep - agreed...but while your technically talking to a fella from a country that is under British Sovereingty we are still a bunch of convicts at heart and pine for a republic, if only we could trust the pollys to get the new constitution right! So...God save the Queen, but just here.
Cheers
Cheers
yeh you guys better do something. i mean look at what we have done to Puerto Rico. the place is a god damn slum and the people can't do anything for themselves. Cuba is in far better condition.
seems like you all down there are doing just fine on your own. i mean i what would i do without my Blundstone and OME products!
seems like you all down there are doing just fine on your own. i mean i what would i do without my Blundstone and OME products!
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garrett said:
I agree. I cannot wait to be able to get into a late model Defender, myself. The LR3 just doesn't do it for me. It's way too consumer, although it does have more 4x4 agility than any other suv at the time being. Even the Hummer h2 is just a damn Chevy Tahoe. I own nothing but LR's, and I must be really eccentric. They throw problems at you every year, and most of the dealers just want to get paid. BUT they are still the best 4x4xfar, and if I have to work on it myself to keep enjoying the trucks - I will. But when it comes to LR's, LESS really is MORE. Compare the Defender to any of the Disco's, Range Rovers, LR3 and you'll quickly see.
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DJAC said:
Not really. The Discovery was one of the best selling SUVs for LR North America, and sold really well in the UK. Why do you think they made it for so many years? Even making a DII. The drive around the world team used DII's, http://news.drivearoundtheworld.com/
I doubt the Discovery brand was the 'rag that destroyed the marque'. Only LR could do that to themselves, through poor marketing and build / part quality AND chaning ownership 3-4 times through the Discovery years. You don't think that hurt the marque? The biggest problem that I saw with LR vehicles is in how they are engineered - to break, and take you back to LR. Why would I have (almost) all Bosch parts on this 4.0, then a WABCO ABS unit? Blah. They suck. Then I've got to deal with the plastic fantastic interior. Blah. I can't wait for a defender, and to rip every plastic bit out in place of good ole cold metal
Man, Land Rover North America is really missing the boat with all their "awful vehicles".
LOL ...
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=23541
LOL ...
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=23541
LOL yeah, a 95. Really, heated seats wouldn't bother me, because if the heating element fails, I'm fairly certain you could still sit in them and drive your vehichle anywhere it would go with heated seats. I just want as little as possible that, upon failure, lessens the ability of the vehicle to do it's job. But try putting down, or up, your window if the motor dies. You can't even control the air intake for the interior without electrics. That's completely assinine.garrett said:what about the auto dim mirror? you gotta have that! oh and the heated seats too.
Well,
I always thought the Discovery was a soccer mom car. Growing up with the older LR's and RRC's....they were machines. The D1 seemed like a change in the worst direction for LR it was the departure towards the mall. Now, I look at the monster outside and have to change my mind there - well, a little. So in my mind, I like the LR3, and would probably own one if I had the spare $$ laying around. I would keep the trail disco, but the LR3 is a nice damn car...as far as they go. I think this all started when the D1 came out, so for those thinking this is heading in the wrong direction with the LR3, I present that it was going in that direction with the D1 years ago. This is the newest version - New and improved, and even more "mall rated" than before!
(Kudos to Nwoods and the LR3 Stormtrooper - that man is a little crazy!)
Also....this may soon qualify in the hall of fame list....lol!!
I always thought the Discovery was a soccer mom car. Growing up with the older LR's and RRC's....they were machines. The D1 seemed like a change in the worst direction for LR it was the departure towards the mall. Now, I look at the monster outside and have to change my mind there - well, a little. So in my mind, I like the LR3, and would probably own one if I had the spare $$ laying around. I would keep the trail disco, but the LR3 is a nice damn car...as far as they go. I think this all started when the D1 came out, so for those thinking this is heading in the wrong direction with the LR3, I present that it was going in that direction with the D1 years ago. This is the newest version - New and improved, and even more "mall rated" than before!
(Kudos to Nwoods and the LR3 Stormtrooper - that man is a little crazy!)
Also....this may soon qualify in the hall of fame list....lol!!
Bruno said:
i don't think any of us are questioning the reason for LRs direction. as your link shows it is working........as it should. they are going mainstream and casting a bigger net to bring in a wider audience. the LR3 fits that role very well. it does many things pretty good. it's everything the soccer mom and divorced dad hitting on the babysitter wants........the LR logo, comfy ride, plenty of room, fast and convenient. all wrapped up on a rather boring, if not, generic package. yes........well done LR/Ford. you have just opened the door to a segment that they had been leaving behind or pissing off for many years.
but our (my) beef is they have totally left tradition way down on the list. if it even exists on their list. before it was up there, but those days are gone.
to gain acceptence to larger groups and satisfy them they did what they needed to do.
but i still think they are leaving out a large segment. the Xterra/Jeep Rubicon crowd. there are no signs that they want to capture them either. that is very evident.
lots of "awful" cars or bad decisions were successful. success might mean something different to you.
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edthediscoman said:
Huh? In what way is the RRC a machine and the Discovery 1 not a machine? The Discovery 1 has a better transfer case and better axles (24 spline vs. 10). Just about everything else is similar. The change from the Disco1 to the Disco2 was a much bigger departure from LD traditions that from the RRC to the Disco1. Then the leap from the Disco2 to the LR3 left nothing in common between the 2 other than the green oval.
garrett said:
But, Garrett don't you know that the LR2 is going to take away all those Jeep, Toyota, and Nissan buyers with it's "xtreme" off road abilities? Surely you can see that its going to be an off roading beast. Just look at it's stats.. Hell, it says Land Rover on it so it must be bad ass in the woods.
Well, its all impression...and thats what I had. Not counting parts...which helped as they were shared. The LR3 is newly designed, and yes, its a departure from not only the spare parts bins, but also still heading towards the masses....which happen to be at Disneyland rather than Truckhaven - thank god!!
Eric N. said:But, Garrett don't you know that the LR2 is going to take away all those Jeep, Toyota, and Nissan buyers with it's "xtreme" off road abilities? Surely you can see that its going to be an off roading beast. Just look at it's stats.. Hell, it says Land Rover on it so it must be bad ass in the woods.
yeh i just can't wait for the LR2/Freebie. it will be just another abortion of the LR name plate sadly.
but i am sure there will be a contingent of lily white suits that will be all over it. just loving the fuel economy, zippy motor and quiet cabin along with a host of modern conveniences that would keep any yuppie giddy.
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