opps sorry for not making sense. Bother in-law's friend wheels a black LR3 with a little red trim he calls it the Black widow cause it looks like a black widow. As for the Stormtooper it looks like the head of one.
Gonzo said:
Oh ok. Thought you might have been talking about some special factory moddd LR3's.
Hey...just wait a darn minute here....my D1 is called The Black Widow too....
http://www.lrrforums.com/showthread.php?t=18
this is a really good point.
what also is interesting to me is how the brand is being marketed which before included some of the traditon.
the Classic RR ads were pretty cool.
however, that?s the way it is and remember out of the box the D3 has a rear locker and center diff lock which isn?t too bad.
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dmarchand said:
Yet they counted it for '05 and '06!
Take away the RR Sport and LR sold less vehicles in '06.
Yes, and how might one control the CDL and rear locker? Answer: you can't! The computer decides.
I was thinking about this thread today on my way to work. I was sitting behind a BMW x5 looking at the sweet all aluminum double wishbone suspension with the castor adjustments and saying WOW.
that takes me back to the other day when I was looking under the LR3 on a flat bed next to me with it stamped steel clam shell suspension components .
the fact is its not in the same catagory...its really just a ford exploder dressed in Land rover garb.
when you buy a premium car or truck for a premium price you normally get premium parts. I just dont think your getting your monies worth with the LR3. And that dosent really surprise me because the ford influence. Ford has made only 1 premium car ever!(the new GT) other theen that if you wanted a premium ford you had to by a ford-shelby or a ford rousch or a ford saleen etc etc.
ok I done ranting
that takes me back to the other day when I was looking under the LR3 on a flat bed next to me with it stamped steel clam shell suspension components .
the fact is its not in the same catagory...its really just a ford exploder dressed in Land rover garb.
when you buy a premium car or truck for a premium price you normally get premium parts. I just dont think your getting your monies worth with the LR3. And that dosent really surprise me because the ford influence. Ford has made only 1 premium car ever!(the new GT) other theen that if you wanted a premium ford you had to by a ford-shelby or a ford rousch or a ford saleen etc etc.
ok I done ranting
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No distinguished character to the LR3. It looks like any common SUV you see parked on your streets, it could be a Ford, a Chevy or any other brand if it weren't for the Land Rover emblem.
Just curious who's been out on any trails with the LR3.
I hate the Honda Element looks, and I would never trust it's electrickery or basket of CVs on the type of trips I do, but...
with a rear locker that thing kicks serious ass.
I hate it, so it's hard for me to admit, but it's true.
In stock form the LR3 is the most offroad capable Land Rover I've ever watched on the trail. I would put a stock LR3 up against a stock D90 any day.
With the air suspension set to it's highest ride height, the clearance is excellent and with the locker engaged the traction is ridiculous.
Say what you will about independent suspension, the wheel drop on those trucks is mind blowing.
I'm not saying I like the direction LR has gone, just look at the trucks I own, but it warms a small part of my heart to see that the LR3 for all it's lameness can still back up the talk offroad and the Land Rover remains a very very capable vehicle.
I hate the Honda Element looks, and I would never trust it's electrickery or basket of CVs on the type of trips I do, but...
with a rear locker that thing kicks serious ass.
I hate it, so it's hard for me to admit, but it's true.
In stock form the LR3 is the most offroad capable Land Rover I've ever watched on the trail. I would put a stock LR3 up against a stock D90 any day.
With the air suspension set to it's highest ride height, the clearance is excellent and with the locker engaged the traction is ridiculous.
Say what you will about independent suspension, the wheel drop on those trucks is mind blowing.
I'm not saying I like the direction LR has gone, just look at the trucks I own, but it warms a small part of my heart to see that the LR3 for all it's lameness can still back up the talk offroad and the Land Rover remains a very very capable vehicle.
I have been wheeling with the Stormtrooper LR3 (NWoods), and it blows you away. He does not have the clearance that I have, but the damn wheels keep going when I am stopped, unless I'm locked. Its pretty damn incredible to watch really, two wheels WAAY up and the others keep turning nice and slow. His is sprung which is unique as most have air suspension (FWIW I divorced the last airbag I had - thats how much I like those!!)
I never said the LR3 wasn't capable off-road. My point was entirely long term reliablity/longevity. The more that can go wrong, the more that will go wrong.
And as others have mentioned, the cost. You could buy a low mileage D1, put less than 1/2 the $$ of the LR3 into it, and have a more reliable, and probably more capable off-roader than the LR3. In fact, you could do a 2.8PS conversion included in that amount. And plently road comfortable for me personally.
But then again, I drove an airportable as my daily driver from '86 till I bought the D1 cause my then wife wouldn't let our kids ride in the airportable. LOL
And as others have mentioned, the cost. You could buy a low mileage D1, put less than 1/2 the $$ of the LR3 into it, and have a more reliable, and probably more capable off-roader than the LR3. In fact, you could do a 2.8PS conversion included in that amount. And plently road comfortable for me personally.
But then again, I drove an airportable as my daily driver from '86 till I bought the D1 cause my then wife wouldn't let our kids ride in the airportable. LOL
garrett said:
Garrett, what exactly is your 'beef' ?.
Land Rover have gone and brought a product to market which is superior in every measurable way to its predecessor, the Discovery II. The LR3 is more capable (by far) offroad than the series II, it is a quantum leap on-road, it is quieter, more spacious, more powerful, more fuel efficient, and can even maintain a respectable highway cruising speed - LOL.
You speak of Land Rover having forgotten their heritage but i do not see that. The Defender continues in production overseas, Range Rover continues to push the envelope of luxury, elegance and versatility and LR3 carries on with better traction control, a rear locker, center difflock, better approach and departure angles, and (i haven't measured) but i'd bet it also features more wheel travel than D2.
If you say that you are not fond of the LR3's styling, i cannot argue that. If you say that you prefer a more 'spartan' truck, with less techno-gadgetry, i cannot argue that. If you say that the LR3 cannot be readily modified for more severe duty, i cannot argue that either.
The LR3 is a fine truck and Land Rover is making money. Let's hope that will enable them to continue to bring us great and even more exciting product - maybe a NA version Defender ...
BT
LRNA does not share the same heritage as LR Europe. my beef is that the grass roots heritage which made Land Rover popular in the UK and eventually the US no longer seems to be with us. certainly not in the US. the Freeland and now LR3 seem to emphasize this for me.
i don't care if the LR3 could walk all over an Hummer or Jeep Rubicon........the direction of the company has taken on a very different look. and with Ford at the helm i only see it getting worse.
no longer the adventure/outdoor message and being a breed of its own and seperate from the pack. now LR seems to be blending in with everyone else..........or is it that everyone else has caught up?
what does a Land Rover or Range Rover driving down some concrete sidewalk or whatever stupid commerical have to do with what Land Rover is all about? at least what it was all about to me. it's very clear to me where and who they are marketing to.
it's been a long weekend on the road, so sorry if i am not making sense right now.
in short........it's not that i hate the LR3........it's more about that i hate to see the direction LRNA is going. a car maker sucking up to people that suck up for a living.
i don't care if the LR3 could walk all over an Hummer or Jeep Rubicon........the direction of the company has taken on a very different look. and with Ford at the helm i only see it getting worse.
no longer the adventure/outdoor message and being a breed of its own and seperate from the pack. now LR seems to be blending in with everyone else..........or is it that everyone else has caught up?
what does a Land Rover or Range Rover driving down some concrete sidewalk or whatever stupid commerical have to do with what Land Rover is all about? at least what it was all about to me. it's very clear to me where and who they are marketing to.
it's been a long weekend on the road, so sorry if i am not making sense right now.
in short........it's not that i hate the LR3........it's more about that i hate to see the direction LRNA is going. a car maker sucking up to people that suck up for a living.
JSQ said:
well, unfortunately i will second that. i think they're ugly, but that's okay seeing as my old lady is the one driving ours.
now that being said, i've managed to put the looks aside and have wheeled a few times with a buddy who also has one. i said it before and i'll say it again, i was impressed. i won't give up my disco as i prefer to actually feel as if i'm driving and not being driven. but if i couldn't have a disco, an LR3 would be next in line.
so far the main issue we've run into on the trails is approach, and trying to avoid tearing up the front bumper. departure doesn't seem to be an issue. the ass on my D2 hit where the LR3 didn't. hopefully an alternative to that ugly ass ARB bumper will arrive on the market.
the photo doesn't do justice to this very steep and loose incline. rest assured, it's a scary ass angle and gets steeper beyond where i'm standing, and i watched this truck walk right up. computer, yes. big brain, yes. less driver skill required, yes. fucked if your etc goes, yes. but, damn, if you had seen this hill you to would've been impressed.
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JSQ said:
So Jack, how do you think a LR3 would have fared on the Rubicon?
I'd take my D1 any day off-road vs. a LR3. If I want a on road vehicle, I'll drive my Saab or my wife's X5.
Musky, yeah, the X5 is really stout underneath. The rear suspension is bomb proof.