I know of one and yes, big tires and a heavy foot were involved... Not to mention an assortment of dana parts from a couple of runs that I have gone on.. Even a D60 gave way to some rocks, horse power, and a little hopping up and down. I like watching Jeeps self destruct..
Ya, I think that he would be ok with the upgraded axles and little tires but, he would be ok with the same tires and stock axles if he doesn't drive like an idiot just not as well off. Doesn't matter what it is you can wreck it some how. But you are right, you hear more about the fronts, CVs, and R&Ps going more then rears.
Ya, I think that he would be ok with the upgraded axles and little tires but, he would be ok with the same tires and stock axles if he doesn't drive like an idiot just not as well off. Doesn't matter what it is you can wreck it some how. But you are right, you hear more about the fronts, CVs, and R&Ps going more then rears.
You sure can break anything if you set out to it. but I disagree with you about him being ok with the stock axles. they are a ticking time bomb. I don't care how careful you are. I have seen them break for no apparent reason with a locker.
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Kyle
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The thing with the stockers is that you dont know how far they are gone already. I would say a newish stocker would last you awhile with that size tire and some brains. If its an unknown its really hard to predict. There have been breakages on pavement with the stockers and detroit.
Yeah MD flanges.... Keep in mind that I have well over 100K on my lockers and MD components...
Yeah MD flanges.... Keep in mind that I have well over 100K on my lockers and MD components...
ya, that's what I said in my first post.. I didn't say " hey you don't ever need to upgrade your axles cause your 10 year old stock ones will last forever" I just said that he would probably be ok with the stock ones if he's careful while he gets money for upgraded ones.
I also added to keep in mind that they are 10 years old..
Damn, you already got the rope hanging from the tree limb and I'm not even out of the trunk of the car yet..
I also added to keep in mind that they are 10 years old..
Damn, you already got the rope hanging from the tree limb and I'm not even out of the trunk of the car yet..
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Kyle
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Yeah , I would say Eric is right for the most part. BUT , like I said , its just a huge unknown with a gamble factor involved. The way I look at it this. The locker and axles is a grand roughly . one locker then an axle breakage and another locker and finally axles is gonna run you 1500 all said and done not counting the shipping in.... I personally have busted up axles and a couple detroits so I know they will go for awhile but its inevitable that they will snap off causing bad shit. I broke mine with 245s in a wet sand/clay mix right here near the house acting like an ass. Its just tough to answer the question with any real certainty....
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D Chapman
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Kyle, I thought your axles were bullet proof?
Stock axles are junk....Don't waste your time, get the HD's and be done. It's not worth it. Rovertracks can save you a few hundred bucks on the rears and they have yet to have a set sent back broken. They are not as perdy as the GBR's, but they are pretty beefy. Or you could contact Moser and save another 80 bucks.
You can see some of the rovertracks stuff in "action" on Spike TV Saturday morning at 11:30am from what I'm told.
Stock axles are junk....Don't waste your time, get the HD's and be done. It's not worth it. Rovertracks can save you a few hundred bucks on the rears and they have yet to have a set sent back broken. They are not as perdy as the GBR's, but they are pretty beefy. Or you could contact Moser and save another 80 bucks.
You can see some of the rovertracks stuff in "action" on Spike TV Saturday morning at 11:30am from what I'm told.
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gadams
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Kyle,
Certainly not wanting to antagonize, but on another thread talking about building with Toyota components or other more exotic stuff, you said you had not had breakage. I think the point you were making was that smart driving is worth way more than heavy duty components but I am confused about breakage issues with driveline components. Is GBR stuff and the like really as good as we need if we drive smart or is the LR hopelessly condemned to failures without some esoteric rebuilds regardless of how we drive?
Greg
Certainly not wanting to antagonize, but on another thread talking about building with Toyota components or other more exotic stuff, you said you had not had breakage. I think the point you were making was that smart driving is worth way more than heavy duty components but I am confused about breakage issues with driveline components. Is GBR stuff and the like really as good as we need if we drive smart or is the LR hopelessly condemned to failures without some esoteric rebuilds regardless of how we drive?
Greg
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Kyle
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I dont take it as antagonizing at all. When I say I havnt had any failures I mean any failures on trails and trips. If no one believes that they can ask any of the guys and they will give you the honest answer on it. I have local areas here that are more play grounds then anything else and I have broken plenty in there.
When the toy conversion came up the point I was making is pretty much what Alex is saying here. There are good over the counter aftermarket parts that are bolt ins and will last you a good while with smart driving. Also , if you do have a breakage its very easy to get a replacement quick or swap in a stocker from a spare if you cant afford HD spares and be gone again. With the exotics its just not that easy.
The stock stuff is mostly junk now simply because of wear if nothing else. I aint so sure it was all that hot when it was brand spanking new. But there are levels of upgrade. I am a huge proponent of getting the old stock stuff out and getting a decent proven drive line in there. The debate which you refer to was leaning more towards CV issues then anything else I believe and I havnt had issues with the stocker CVs and driving smart. There is a long way between a stock truck and a Toy or Dana conversion.
When I post here I post from experience. I broke my junk and I know what broke it. I kept it together when it needed to be together and I know what kept it that way as well. I was lucky enough to have the money to replace stuff and the testing ground within a few miles of the house to play . Not everyone has that and when you post you are filling in the blanks. What Eric here says is true but not to 100 % , what D says is true but also not to 100%. Running partial driveline upgrades should be done from the outside in. Then you are pretty much assured that you wont have to go back twice for somthing.
Had to edit because I really didnt answer your question. We have had guy break stock stuff on trips and they were doing everything right. We have not had anyone break with the regualr old Maxi drive/ trac tech upgrades and driving like they have some sense. As Eric said , you can break anything if you dont respect it..... But I put alot of faith in the regular stuff GBR sells and it hasnt let me down.
When the toy conversion came up the point I was making is pretty much what Alex is saying here. There are good over the counter aftermarket parts that are bolt ins and will last you a good while with smart driving. Also , if you do have a breakage its very easy to get a replacement quick or swap in a stocker from a spare if you cant afford HD spares and be gone again. With the exotics its just not that easy.
The stock stuff is mostly junk now simply because of wear if nothing else. I aint so sure it was all that hot when it was brand spanking new. But there are levels of upgrade. I am a huge proponent of getting the old stock stuff out and getting a decent proven drive line in there. The debate which you refer to was leaning more towards CV issues then anything else I believe and I havnt had issues with the stocker CVs and driving smart. There is a long way between a stock truck and a Toy or Dana conversion.
When I post here I post from experience. I broke my junk and I know what broke it. I kept it together when it needed to be together and I know what kept it that way as well. I was lucky enough to have the money to replace stuff and the testing ground within a few miles of the house to play . Not everyone has that and when you post you are filling in the blanks. What Eric here says is true but not to 100 % , what D says is true but also not to 100%. Running partial driveline upgrades should be done from the outside in. Then you are pretty much assured that you wont have to go back twice for somthing.
Had to edit because I really didnt answer your question. We have had guy break stock stuff on trips and they were doing everything right. We have not had anyone break with the regualr old Maxi drive/ trac tech upgrades and driving like they have some sense. As Eric said , you can break anything if you dont respect it..... But I put alot of faith in the regular stuff GBR sells and it hasnt let me down.
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gadams
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That pretty much is what I thought. All the more reason to remind my dear wife of why I really NEED that new third member, etc, etc, etc...
Greg
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There was a thread like this a couple of months ago. Kyle is right. Don't bother with the stock axles and the detroit. When I got my detroit, I thought I could go a month or two with no problem with the stock axles. Well, I was wrong. I went a week and broke an axle. The shitty thing was, I exploded the detroit along with it. That screw-up ended up costing me another $500 or more. The funny thing is when I talked to Bill after he happened, he said "let me guess, you broke the long axle about 6" from the flange". I think he has seen this a couple of times to say the least. I always say, if you're going to do something, do it right the first time.
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discochris
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As far as heavy duty axles, what do you guys use and how have they held up? I was told by a friend with a Detroit rear and 35's to go with the Rovertracks rear axles. He said that is what he did and he has never had a problem out of the. I believe they were a little over $400, so it would probably be a good investment now because I am also planning on going larger with the tires as well. He also recomended the new axles if I go larger than 33's, for the same reason you would change out the stockers with a locker, they won't hold up to abuse.
Chris
Chris
I'm running GBR rear axles and they have held up well... I still carry my stock axles as backup though.. I'm easy on them most of the time... Every once in a while I stomp on the gas.. Haven't pulled them out in a while to see if they are twisting but, last time I looked my line was still straight.
Some thing you might want to do.. Mark a straight line down them and you can pull them out every once in a while and take a peek..
Some thing you might want to do.. Mark a straight line down them and you can pull them out every once in a while and take a peek..