DII Jumpseat removal question

[mountenn]

Alright, this question concerns two 2000 model DII's, one with the SE7 jumpseats, one without. The SE7 owner wants the jump seats removed and replaced with storage cubbies, while the 5-seater owner wants to install the aforementioned jumpseats in his non-SE7 Rover.

Now that you have the background, here is the quandary. Both seats and headrests have been removed from the SE7, along with all hardware and mounting equipment. All mounting brackets and bolts are in place from the factory on all DII's for the addition of the two rear jumpseats. The problem lies in the removal of the seatbelts from the D pillars. How the hell is this done? Would it be easier to swop the interior D pillar plastic molding between the two Rovers as well?

Any and all input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance.

 

[Ataraxia]

Just use your scissors and cut the belts, then chuck the seats at a curb.

That "non-SE7 Rover" owner will regret that install.

 

[mountenn]

How so?

 

[JustAddMtns]

I thought that SE7s had a more rigid structure in the rear for a stronger crumple zone during rear impacts?to protect rear passengers...so, that other DII would not be safe to ride in the back.

Disclaimer: I heard this from a LR salesperson.
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[SDD2]

i admit i'm just speculating, but i think it's very unlikely that the "structure" of the SE7 is any different than the 5-seaters ... some would have the brackets for seatbelts and jumpseats, and some wouldn't ... from a mass-production manufacturing point of view, it wouldn't make sense ...

And I'm continually amazed at how little salespeople know about the products they sell ...

I thought that SE7s had a more rigid structure in the rear for a stronger crumple zone during rear impacts?to protect rear passengers...so, that other DII would not be safe to ride in the back.

Disclaimer: I heard this from a LR salesperson.

 

[mountenn]

Yeah, that LR salesman was full of shit. I spoke to a guy who was a mechanic for the local stealership for years and finally broke away to start his own Rover shop. He said that ALL the DII's have ALL the necessary mounts for the jump seats. The only difference is that the openings in the rear floor carpet and D pillars do not exist (purely aesthetic). As for the non-SE7 owner regretting the install (comment by ataraxia), I am the non-SE7 owner. My LR mechanic buddy said that the installation of these seats is pretty straight-forward, just a little bit meticulous. The question remains, though...what for the seatbelts in the D pillars?

 

[Ataraxia]

All I meant was that the seats themselves are useless, especially in such a tight cargo location. They are only suitable for very small children or garden gnomes. Then there is the awkwardness of getting in and out...

Cubbies are useful.

 

[merrion13]

Anyone know a way to remove the seatbelts from inside the D pillar without cutting open the plastic molding?

 

[mountenn]

Cubbies are not as useful as being able to carry all my kids around. I have two in elementary school and two more in carseats. They may not be useful to you, but they will be my best friend until our oldest is able to drive.

So, back to the original question. How do we get the seatbelts out of the D pillars without tearing everything to pieces?

 

[S Marks]

You have to remove the plastic D pillar pieces to remove the seatbelts as they are bolted in. The best thing to do would be to swap these pieces as well. If you are interested, I have the LR install instructions for the third row that I can send you electronically. PM me if you are interested...

 

[mountenn]

Spencer, pm sent.

 

[jackp]

I thought that SE7s had a more rigid structure in the rear for a stronger crumple zone during rear impacts…to protect rear passengers...so, that other DII would not be safe to ride in the back.

Disclaimer: I heard this from a LR salesperson.

I asked about safety of the rear passengers in my SE7 (my kids were ages 4 and 6 at the time)..my Sales Guide said (with a straight face)..."well you've got the spare tire back there, which basically acts like an air bag in a rear end collision":ack:

"Riiiiiiight" I said. I'm no physics major but that's just fucked up. She was about 5'10", blond and a skirt about the size of a hankerchief. "What the hell" I thought .."she may be right".

I bought the D2 right then and there.

 

[mountenn]

Yeah, I had a sales guide in LR Chattanooga search for an SE7 for me the other day (to trade my wife's Pacifica for another Disco)...the woman exclaimed, "Yeah, I did a search for one of those things, and our Discovery Series II came up. It was funny, because ours ain't even a seven seater!"

As if that wasn't enough, I mentioned to her the possibility of trading for a 5-seater and adding the jump seats. Her reply? "Oh, that doesn't sound safe." She didn't even know that it was a factory upgrade! What a fucking dumbass.

 

[jackp]

Was she hot?

 

[ml4x4]

Wow, and she doesn't even know how dumb she sounded!

It's a shame, I hope she was on the job less than 2 days!

 

[JustAddMtns]

I asked about safety of the rear passengers in my SE7 (my kids were ages 4 and 6 at the time)..my Sales Guide said (with a straight face)..."well you've got the spare tire back there, which basically acts like an air bag in a rear end collision":ack:

"Riiiiiiight" I said. I'm no physics major but that's just fucked up. She was about 5'10", blond and a skirt about the size of a hankerchief. "What the hell" I thought .."she may be right".

I bought the D2 right then and there.

I see the salesperson all the time who told me about the "more rigid structure" Lately she always brings up how people who buy Rovers from her love the status and looks..blah..blah...it all about the looks garbage.
Y'all see where I am going with this.

Anyway, I am under the impression that you are safer in the third row of a Disco than the third row of a Jeep Commander. I sat in the back of one of those and the head rest presses against the rear glass.
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[gmookher]

I've sat in my third row seats just fine at 5'11", a bit cramped at the knee but plenty of headroom, the headrest worked great

 

[mountenn]

No, she wasn't even hot. She looked like one of those "new" VW Bug midlife-crisis-having empty-nest mom types.

 

[jackp]

No, she wasn't even hot. She looked like one of those "new" VW Bug midlife-crisis-having empty-nest mom types.

I know the look:ack:

The LR sales guide I dealt with was selling Porsche for a dealer in Chicago last I heard. Probably doing well at it too. Actually, besides that stupid comment about the spare tire/ air bag, she was a good sales person.

I hate that 'buy a Rover and you'll have class and respect attitude' some of the dealerships give off.....

 

[mountenn]

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. In her defense, though, she has been bending over backward these past few days trying to help me get an HSE for my wife. Time will tell if she can deliver...