Duel Fuel Propane conversion kits (Freeze Proof!)

[dominic]

Now with gas prices going through the roof, now's the time to convert to Duel Fuel, as we do in Europe for years. This is what our governments do not tell you that in Europe you can order these fitted at the Ford/Vauxhall (GMC) factories, pre-delivery, I had my kit fitted in England to my 87 RRC RHD which I brought with me to Canada and in 5 years I have only ever suffered 1 breakdown where I had inadvertently pulled out a connection, a simple mistake and I was underway in minutes, so far I have even started the truck in the middle of a Canadian winter on propane first after I snagged the gas line and it was too cold to work on the truck for a month!, im so impressed with these kit's and the deluge of questions that I get about it when I fill up for HALF price that ive decided to import these myself, and now am sole agent for the North American market, finding the fuel is easy just get an RV guide and most places that sell BBQ gas also sell Autogas at the pump, the network is in place rather than pie in the sky idea's like hydrogen which is years away.

Simple to fit and transferable, with a choice of tank sizes, your truck/car will run better on 100 octane liquid petroleum gasoline, with the added convenience of STILL being able to run on gas, virtually doubling your range, with no hydrocarbon emissions or oily blow by contaminating your engine oil's - saves wear and tear.

How it operates 'conventional system' a tank is mounted in the rear cargo area, or underneath the vehicle, be it a torpedo or round donut style (latter suitable for passenger cars in the spare wheel well), the vehicle starts on gasoline and once warmed up when set to the auto position will sense an RPM surge and cause the solenoids for the propane to be energised allowing the flow to be drawn into the intake flow, and shut's down the electric fuel pump for the gas, it can be changed on the go to either fuel at the flick of a switch which also incorporates an LED level gauge.

The direct injection system comes with injector's which simply requires drilling and tapping 6mm holes into each branch and screwing in the injector, bolting the propane fuel rail in place and connecting the ECU which utilises the signals sent to the gasoline injectors to trigger the propane injector's, this system compensates for the 10% power loss over the conventional system, and is mappable with a laptop hook up.

Here are the prices for the following kits / Prices as follows in CDN, bearing in mind the current cost of gasoline @ $1.00 per litre and propane is rural $0.55 city $0.35, per litre you can soon work out that the kit will end up paying for itself in a reasonable time frame, the conventional kits are easily transferred vehicle to vehicle, the direct injection kit would require 6mm holes tapping into the inlet manifold, and would require replacement bolts to close the hole's upon removal, these kits all come with the US standard filler neck, and are relatively easy to install as full instruction's are included, I can also arrange installation for you if you so require.

3.9i discovery conventional mixer type kit with 80 or 90 lt. cylinder tank inc. Vpm mixer, etc. $2363.00

4.0i gems discovery conventional mixer type kit with 80 or 90 lt. cylinder tank inc. Vpm mixer, etc. $2536.00

3.9i or 4.0i discovery Gas direct injection kit with 80 or 90 lt. cylinder tank, etc. $3118.00

Gas injection programming interface & software $236.00

Again these are CANADIAN prices Note GST & PST not included. No taxes for USA apart from Customs Duty where applicable for where you live.

Dominic

The Classic Carriage Company
386 Queensborough Road
RR#3 Tweed
Ontario
K0K 3J0

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[mikemeyer0]

for 2,500+ bucks i can buy a beater with 40-60mpg's, also look at this, i use about 24 gallons a week, there for if i am used to paying $2.00/gal. and the prices are $3.00/gal. over one year it would be a $1,200 increase, it would ttake more than 2 years to pay for itself unless gas hits $4.00/gal, but it would still take a year, at least for me.

 

[syoung]

Nice ad... Can you show me the EPA certs and CARB exemption certificates for use on emission controlled vehicles? Just curious...

 

[dominic]

EPA Certs

Nice ad... Can you show me the EPA certs and CARB exemption certificates for use on emission controlled vehicles? Just curious...

Hi Steve
I can supply you the relevent ISO safety cert's from the manufacturer, I had no problem on getting my insurance company to approve the system, as long as they are satisfied that its install meets the MTO (Canada) standards, which are the same as US Safety standards (they adopted them to save costs.

I put this up to save constant questions i get and pass on a good thing, it is up to each user to determine there market conditions, i have saved a lot of money and be able to use my truck as a daily driver with good fuel economy, as a landrover owner i have 3 i know that a lot of people will waste there money on thing's they think they "need" to impress there mates and fit in with the crowd but never actually use - this is something that is taking a step forward and will justify using an SUV that is cost effective and enviromentally and missus friendly.

Cheers

Dom

 

[syoung]

Only problem is the US Gov't in their "wisdom" makes it nearly impossible to install things like this- even if it does make perfect sense.

 

[dominic]

Duel Fuel propane conversion kit's

for 2,500+ bucks i can buy a beater with 40-60mpg's, also look at this, i use about 24 gallons a week, there for if i am used to paying $2.00/gal. and the prices are $3.00/gal. over one year it would be a $1,200 increase, it would ttake more than 2 years to pay for itself unless gas hits $4.00/gal, but it would still take a year, at least for me.

Hi Mike,
Bearing in mind i quoted prices in CDN not US, as i have to as a registered Canadian business, your logic on buying a beater does not bring into the equasion of getting the vehicle certified, adding to your insurance policy, smog check, or license sticker, not to mention repair's and running cost's, even if it took 3 years to pay off on the average Discovery, from the get go you would be paying over half at the pump, and at the end of three years if you still had the truck as most landy owner's do tend to look after there vehicle's you would be then reaping the reward's as i do every day with mine - if im low on gas ive always got propane and vise versa, my tank range is doubled and my wheeling isnt smoking up the trails contributing to the whole ethos of "tread Lightly", besides which there's nothing funnier than people driving behind you with an odd look on there faces "what the heck does that thing run on", or the fact that i never have to line up for gas - during the fuel strikes in the UK 4.5 years ago i was in a line of 75 cars at the gas station and got waved to the propane pump by the owners who recognised me and the look of those other drivers faces was a picture!

I cant say for each user there will be the immediatte benefits but for user's as myself who not only wheels but uses the truck as recovery vehicle and log hauler it is worth it 100%
besides which being stuck in an old beater when you already have the worlds best 4x4 on your drive really begs the question, why buy an landrover when a car does your need's?

Cheers

Dom

 

[mikemeyer0]

.....really begs the question, why buy an landrover when a car does your need's?

Cheers

Dom

Why buy propane when it is cheaper to have another car?

 

[dirtyjim]

i don't run propane on my rig but i know several people who do.the biggest advantage is range, you can get over 1000 miles before having to refuel.if you do alot of remote traveling it would be better than carrying extra jerrycans.when i could afford to hunt in west texas most of the ranchers had propane conversions on their trucks

 

[Black Dog]

This definitely peaks my curiosity. Is anyone familiar with California emissions regulations and how feasible this would be here? I expect the day is near when all our cherished rigs will be considered obsolete dinosaurs from the non-hybrid past. Anybody know where these farmers' propane burning trucks are being converted here in the States?

 

[Timmy!!!!!!!]

i don't run propane on my rig but i know several people who do.the biggest advantage is range, you can get over 1000 miles before having to refuel.if you do alot of remote traveling it would be better than carrying extra jerrycans.when i could afford to hunt in west texas most of the ranchers had propane conversions on their trucks

How big of a tank are they using. I thought the range decreased with using lpg.

 

[ShaunP]

It's very common in Australia, burns very clean much cleaner than petrol. Both Ford and GM have an LPG option for their large car ranges either dual or dedicated LPG. The Fed Gov gives any company that use LPG fueled vehicles Greens house gas tax credits because they are so clean. Almost all Taxi cabs in Oz have run it for at least 20 years and many Bus fleets are switching to LPG or Natural Gas instead of diesel. A little less power and they use a little more but the plus is cheaper cost and your engine doesn't wear out as quick. The crank cases stay clean as a whistle oil doesn't go black etc,etc. Down side is the cost of coversion (new dedicated LPG cars get a tax cut, some states give you a rebate to convert) and you have to put this big gas cylinder some where. The best conversion on a Disco I have seen uses a number of small scuba size tanks in place original petrol tank and then they fitt 2 small petrol tanks under the floor. I work for Telstra and I reckon we would over 1000 LPG Ford Falcons in the fleet across the country, staff can also lease them on an all included cost deal, fuel, insurance repairs etc ect. The LPG Falcons the cheapest due to the greenhouse tax credits. They go ok 240hp straight 6 with variable valve timing. I had one for about 18 months, held 120 litres of LPG did about 650km around town with the a/c on per tank.

 

[kesslergk]

Does this run on regular propane, like for a house?

Or is there a special mix? Just wondering if I had a propane tank installed at the house, could I fill up from it, and have bulk deliveries when I run low?

Gordon

 

[MUSKYMAN]

well...the problem I see is LP has become so expensive by us that I am connecting the weber grill to the house natural gas line.

a 20lb bottle of LP is about $22

I know a number of guys running diesel/LP injection, but they are all doing it for the power increases not the economy. so they have there boost maxed' out .

the state of Wis has had breaks for LP users for years and in the city of madison the cabs and some of the ppublic works vehicles have run LPP for decades.

 

[dave_lucas]

Or is there a special mix? Just wondering if I had a propane tank installed at the house, could I fill up from it, and have bulk deliveries when I run low?

Gordon

My house/shop runs off propane, we have a 500 gallon tank for the house and a 120 gallon tank for the detached shop. When we start getting low we call the company and they come out and fill up the tank.

However I am not sure if you can fill other tanks from your bulk tank? Might have to consult with Hank Hill on that one

 

[dominic]

Propane filling

My house/shop runs off propane, we have a 500 gallon tank for the house and a 120 gallon tank for the detached shop. When we start getting low we call the company and they come out and fill up the tank.

However I am not sure if you can fill other tanks from your bulk tank? Might have to consult with Hank Hill on that one

Depends on size of tank, Im thinking of converting the stove and hotwater heater to propane, the gas supplier has said that they would deliver and install the extra large tank free with a autogas pump that dispenses RV, Trucks BBQ for my business as long as i provide a 12x12 concrete pad with a security fence and they would run a meter & line to the house.

Its funny that ive stirred up a debate on something that is so commonplace the world over except good ole USA, hmm wonder why? perhaps there'd be less wars and propping up El presidente's regime's if it wasnt so reliant on gas and used what is a waste by product of refiniary's.

Change a few peoples minds you might change a vote - change a vote and you might change the world is a thought! - me im trying to get the idea across that like myself who uses his landy's daily for what they were built to be - reliable working trucks that i want to pass on the virtues of this to others out there, yes i make a fair profit and i could charge more but this is more valid than a fancy pants ARB bumper, and about the same price and as for my winch mount its made of recycled 1/2 plate from the scrapyard-does the job!

Cheers

Dom

 

[dominic]

tank sizes?

How big of a tank are they using. I thought the range decreased with using lpg.

It depends on the size of the tank or tanks myself i use a 100 litre behind the rear seat but i have the option of undermounting a pair of torpedo tanks either side of the frame behind the rocker's but depends if you have a spring/lift kit, the tanks are hard to damage but the lines could be ripped off on a rock, but for comparison you could drop a full gastank and a full propane tank of a roof and you would expect the gas tank to be leaking.

Regards power loss is about 10% on a conventional input to the mass air flow intake, but with the direct injection with its own purpose designed injectors and ECU there is no loss, personally my truck runs better on propane than it does gas - even the wife knows that and she by no means is a mechanic

Dom

 

[LuisC]

If I still have to have the ECU controlling the engine with LPG, then I might as well stick to my plans for converting to diesel in April '06. No ECU and can find diesel in Mexico and C.America. LPG may be more difficult to find down there. Besides here in Austin, I can use biodiesel which has its benefits.

 

[discocolo]

4.6?

Hey Dom,

Is a 4.6 kit available?

 

[ShaunP]

well...the problem I see is LP has become so expensive by us that I am connecting the weber grill to the house natural gas line.

a 20lb bottle of LP is about $22

I know a number of guys running diesel/LP injection, but they are all doing it for the power increases not the economy. so they have there boost maxed' out .

the state of Wis has had breaks for LP users for years and in the city of madison the cabs and some of the ppublic works vehicles have run LPP for decades.

Yeah getting a bottle filled is scam here as well, costs the same here but at the bowzer I could fill the Falcon with 120litres for $40.

 

[blitzkreig]

I was looking into LPG before the price of gas went up ...

One does have to do their homework but there are lots of websites which answer questions about LPG use. I have no idea why interest in LPG has tailed off over the last few years. Well, except for every cab driver in all of Canada that is.

dominic, it does sound like you do not do installs yourself but do you have an estimated cost for a Disco II (4.0) fuel inject conversion with a couple of torpedo tanks mounted underneath?

Are these Land Rover specific kits (built with Land Rover in mind when they were designed) or are these kinda one-size-fits all that I can buy from a local conversion shop?

You never mentioned the manufacturer's name. Who makes them?