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kennith

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Culenm,

No.

If I am ever questioned by god, I will stand tall and tell my story truthfully. I will tell him that I chose not to believe even though his existance was reasonable and just as provable as any other theory. I will tell him that even though he, in effect, made me that way, I do not place the blame on him for my lack of belief. Being human, I don't like my own arguments, but if I ever meet god, they will, to me, be proven true.

I will tell him how I saw his childeren abandoned to the ways of evil, evil that was avoidable from the beginning. I will tell him of the suffering, and the death, and the blood of the innocent spilled in the name of a thousand jealous gods.

I will tell him of the atrocities commited in his name, of the civilizations destroyed, while he sat idle, making statues bleed and putting Mary's face on tacos. I will chronical the horror of an abandoned people, fighting to survive through the ages, destroying themselves along the way, given the tools only to use the world, and not understand themselves.

I will tell him of children starving, while his churches use them as pawns to fill their coffers. I will tell him that throughout history, most of what was done in his name that succeded was wrong. I will tell him that though he created the world, the blood of men held it together.

I will tell him that though it is not my fault that I do not believe, for my reasons that I stated previously in my other arguments, I wish to take full responsibility for that fact in the end, so my only free action is to put my foot down in the end, and stand for humanity, flawed though it be by the design of another.

But I don't believe that's going to happen.

Cheers,

Kennith




This is not meant to be a part of my other argument. My other argument is being made from a detached perspective, for purity.
 

varova87

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DiscoS2 said:
What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home?


he's not, dont worry. he used to be though. circa 2,000 years ago.

i mean that in the literal sense. i also believe that he isnt the "Big guy upstairs" who sits on his padded throne throwing out lightning bolts.
 
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varova87

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kennith said:
Culenm,

No.

If I am ever questioned by god, I will stand tall and tell my story truthfully. I will tell him that I chose not to believe even though his existance was reasonable and just as provable as any other theory. I will tell him that even though he, in effect, made me that way, I do not place the blame on him for my lack of belief. Being human, I don't like my own arguments, but if I ever meet god, they will, to me, be proven true.

I will tell him how I saw his childeren abandoned to the ways of evil, evil that was avoidable from the beginning. I will tell him of the suffering, and the death, and the blood of the innocent spilled in the name of a thousand jealous gods.

I will tell him of the atrocities commited in his name, of the civilizations destroyed, while he sat idle, making statues bleed and putting Mary's face on tacos. I will chronical the horror of an abandoned people, fighting to survive through the ages, destroying themselves along the way, given the tools only to use the world, and not understand themselves.

I will tell him of children starving, while his churches use them as pawns to fill their coffers. I will tell him that throughout history, most of what was done in his name that succeded was wrong. I will tell him that though he created the world, the blood of men held it together.

I will tell him that though it is not my fault that I do not believe, for my reasons that I stated previously in my other arguments, I wish to take full responsibility for that fact in the end, so my only free action is to put my foot down in the end, and stand for humanity, flawed though it be by the design of another.

i think while telling him this, the big ugly guy (Satan) will be smiling becuase you are giving God credit for things Satan was responsible for.

by the way Kennith, for the record, while I don't agree with everything you are saying and believing, I respect them. I also see where you are coming from.
 
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JeffM

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If there is a supreme being - I wanna know why I'm not driving a 2006 Defender 110 with New Hampshire plates on it :D
 

cullenm

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this is my first thread on disco web ive really gotten into and i really enjoy talking to you,Kennith, about all thise. its really interesting to see what more years on this earth can do to a person, spiritually and intellectually.

i really appreciate you not getting angry at me. i just reread what i said last night and noticed that it could have been taken the wrong way and im sorry if it made you angry in any way, i doubt it did.

i just have a question about one of yourarguemnts, the one about how so many people have abused religion.

if you see a Land Rover driving down the road, and its been beaten to shit. the Driver has never once changed the oil and the white letters on the tires are even facing in :)

now, are you going to look at that land rover and think, oh man look at what that guy has done with land rovers! there must not be anything to those trucks since that one is so messed up. now imagine youve seen millions of people not treat their land rovers right and abuse them, is that going to change your mind about land rovers?

it shouldnt, because you have experienced how amazing these trucks can be, youre not going to let the other people who have abused them change your opinion of itt, are you?

-cullen
 

apg

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Eric N. said:
I prefer the way of the Druids.. I'm more of a polytheist.. Damn, I guess I really am a tree hugger after all...

Absolutely!

I was in the peace Corps in a Muslim country during the last Arab-Israeli war. I was *constantly* being asked what religion I was, and I would reply with "Druid." :p

Invariably, the locals would walk away, shaking their heads in confusion....:smilelol:
 

Steve

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noee said:
Why is it so hard to accept mortality? Why does it always have be better when "we get there?" Why can't it be good now? Carpe Diem.

That's a very good question. Those that rely heavily on the "then" are the same that have a compelling need to lean on a religion to get them through the "now".
 

johnnyrover

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cullenm said:
if you see a Land Rover driving down the road, and its been beaten to shit. the Driver has never once changed the oil and the white letters on the tires are even facing in :)

now, are you going to look at that land rover and think, oh man look at what that guy has done with land rovers! there must not be anything to those trucks since that one is so messed up. now imagine youve seen millions of people not treat their land rovers right and abuse them, is that going to change your mind about land rovers?

it shouldnt, because you have experienced how amazing these trucks can be, youre not going to let the other people who have abused them change your opinion of itt, are you?

-cullen


Very good analogy.

I was raised Catholic, never very religious. My grandma would always tell me - faith is what is important. I never understood this until a few years ago.

Faith and Religion are interchanged in most discussions, but are truly 2 different things.

Before I came to Christ a friend had this to say during an arguement, and it has stuck with me:

"If I am wrong about my faith, at a minimum I have lived a moral life and shared it with others who are like minded. At worst, I have wasted my time spent in prayer and church. If you are wrong, you may or may not lead a moral life, and will very likely spend eternity in a very bad place."

With all of the distractions in our lives today, there are plenty of things to waste our time, we just need to choose our time wasters wisely.
 
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barefoot

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this is just not as fun of discussion on a board.

right, wheres the campfire? the stars above and the beer?

religion is my fav. subject by far....but its hard to get into it over the net.
 

UK 4X4

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Religion - as soon as it was invented it caused problems....even now we seem to be heading back to the crusades mentality and a possible WW3

Frankly I agree with Darwin and that lucky primievel swamp.

Was i brought up to be a Christian....yep

Do i believe in christian / moral values yes

Do i go to church.......errr no

Cos after spending many years travelling the earth backpacking into the remotest regions and visiting indiginous cultures....what did i find....

almost every indiginous culture worships an entity wether it be the earth/sun/moon/boa's/panthers/thor/visnu/buddha etc etc etc.

What does it bring to each to those comunities....a set of guidlines on how to live .

In every country and culture there are those that take religion one step too far for either monetary reasons or for power over others.

Frankly I've probably seen more problems caused by missionaries than fixed...

no matter what denomination.

Quite frankly I'm betting on the Goa'uld:D

With early pyramid cultures on at least 4 continents and personally seen them in.

Egypt
Sri lanka
Thailand
Cambodia
Sumatra
Mexico
Guatamala
Peru
Colombia

pre-dating both Mohamed and Jesus by about 2000 years.......

wonder what religion will be the next fad during year 3000 and up.....
 

mr_ed

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DiscoS2 said:
What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus trying to make his way home?

What if God smoked canabis? Hit the bong like some of us? Drove a tie-dyed micro-bus? And he suscribes to Rolling Stones. :D

Look like steers and queers ain't the only thing from Texas no more...:smilelol: :rofl: Holy smokes I crack myself up!!
 
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barefoot

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lets talk about the bible...

is it a solid record of events? probably not! is it a record of history that has been misunderstood, misinterpereted, parts left out, written rewritten and retranslated with loose translations and assumptions? most definatley! im sure we have all played that game where you sit in a large circle and pass a short story along only to find the end results skewn. add the fact that we are talking about translating smaller lanquages into larger lanquages from texts that are, at best, incomplete and strolled all over the old world in different lanquages that have long ceased to be used. most christians will tell you that the bible cannot be taken literally but must be read into to derive the "moral of the story". this is correct i guess but the problem is, this has been done and done and done until the end result is a book that is far from original form/text.

dont get me wrong...im not saying that the bible is full of made up lies and bs stories. i believe it to be decent record of historical events considering the circumstances. far more care has been taken in the translations than any other book (combination of stories) would have gotten.

i believe jesus was a real person who walked the earth. was he the son of god? did he really have supernatural powers? how much of it has been "glorified" for the sake of storytelling? how much of it has been lost or skewed in translation? take the resting place of noahs arc for instance. the bible says it came to rest on mt arat and that is where ppl looked. however, scholars are now saying that it was a misinterprentation of Gen. 8.4, that actually translated to "upon the mountains of arat" which is a large mountain chain. not proof of the bibles total incorrectness on its own but it is seen over and over again. i dont understand how ppl can see the geological and time-line shortcomings of the bibles translations and not have more skepticism concerning recorded human events such as jesus walking on water or parting the red sea etc...

how about the story of gilgamesh? basically the same story as the bibles "noahs arc" but the text predates the biles by 2500 yrs. which means that the genesis version was copied from an earlier babylonian story, gilgamesh was copied from an earlier hebrew story or both were copied from a common source that predates both. further proof that timelines, locations and facts have been skewn by time, changing governments and land ownerships, languages, rising and falling of nations and peoples and biblical translations.

however, even though there are many things in the bible that have been confused there are too many things that prove the bible is based on fact. the discovery of chariots, dated to biblical time, found in numbers along the red sea. the possible "upcoming" discovery of the city of urich (which gilgamesh was based on) and many many more. its no doubt that that biblical text was based on factual history. however, i firmly believe many things that made it to current form are grossly misinterpereted.

of course, then add a little religion and youve got one big cluster-f&%k

lets discuss...