Finally watched Frozen. SPOILERS

stu454

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kennith

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Elsa is a bitch IMO... All the problems and a crappy attitude, then comes out the hero in every little girls eyes...

I don't know man, she can shoot ice. I'd have her. Finally, a chick with something unique to offer... :D

She did have an excuse for her personality, though. She'd been locked up for years simply for being herself, instead of being encouraged to train to control her power. That would make a formidable weapon, and certainly give them an economic advantage, as they could provide a near endless supply of ice year round.

I kind of dig the "look out for number one" attitude, anyway. Fuck that town. Let it freeze. It's full of people who turned on her as soon as she did something awesome, anyway.

You wouldn't catch me heading back to save them, and certainly not if I had the power to make ice castles just by waving my hands about. They'd be marching up that mountain a few times a year to pay tribute under the threat of perpetual winter.

She certainly wasn't any hero, but that one of the things I liked about it. There wasn't really a hero in the end. A philosophical frustration saved the day: Love; but not as most would have expected it.

I also liked that the story sort of happened around her. She provided the framework and motivation, but wasn't the center of attention.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

ChrismonDA

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People have been on about it so much that I had to check it out. The box looked really cool in Best Buy, but for $29.99, I figured it had better be pretty damned good.

Until this point, the only animated Disney movie I enjoyed significantly was Atlantis: The Lost Empire. That was a bit of a shoe-in, though, as I've been a bit of a flood scholar for many years.

I didn't really like any of the Pixar movies, and I think old-school Disney is a matter of nostalgia rather than quality animation and story-telling. Yeah, I'm an asshole. Whatever.

Frozen is different. I was pretty damned shocked.

To be fair, it has many flaws. The primary problem with the film is it's length. There isn't enough of it. The story is just too big to be crammed into that little "sell the seats" time slot. I was really feeling that all the way through; as if they just couldn't explore the details, which was a terrible shame given the plot, and certainly the visuals and music.

That said, it was outstanding. It seems they managed to subtly break nearly every Disney mold in that film. If you're paying attention, it's obvious. Not everything is neatly wrapped up under the surface, even if it appears to have been covered.

It's as if someone finally tossed an anime DVD through the window in that office, and light bulbs went off in every cubicle.

SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!






Curse the girl on the cover, ruin her entire childhood, steal her family, terrorize her home by her own action, destroy her in her first public appearance, chain her up just when she explores freedom for the first time, leave her without romance in the end, and make her play second fiddle in the plot to add insult to injury.

It's all obvious, or seems so, but the increasing weight of it all won't be noticed by many. It's a great tragedy that could have been.

It's still a Disney movie. It's still corny, and there might be a bit more music than really should fit in that amount of film, but if it were an hour longer, there's no telling what might have happened. I've seen it three times now; calibrated and cranked up to eleven, of course.

Every time I look closer, I wish they'd have given it more time, or two movies. Fill it out, and roll the credits when the palace goes up. Finish the story next year.

Anyone else like it?

It might sound like I don't, but any time I watch something and wish there was more of it, I've obviously had a shit-load of fun. That damned song is as good as everyone said it was, as well. Pretty bad-ass.

Cheers,

Kennith
Easy on the posts about Kennith. At least he had the balls to post this.
 
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kennith

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Damn it man, now I've got to think. I'm supposed to be avoiding strenuous mental activity. :rofl:

Looks like that uses the same basic tech as the other tire. If they haven't filled out the area above the bead, I'm still not interested. That spot was quite weak on the other STT I checked out, and it's a pretty damned important spot.

You can make a tire out of bricks, if you want, but if that area isn't chock full of rubber, it will always be missing something. I'm also not entirely convinced the ply turn up is happening where it needs to, but I don't remember if those guys ever gave me the information I wanted.

I'll have to get a closer look when I can. I don't trust the cutaway diagrams I see of those things. They just don't jive with what I've handled in person.

I don't like the idea of a dedicated sidewall deflection area. Looking at the tire, it appears to be an excuse for a molding pattern that is becoming more common. Focusing all the flex in one spot constantly isn't a good idea; especially where the tread section meets the sidewalls.

That extra nonsense on the lugs is a bit silly, as well. It's still a streetable tire. You can't savethe mud performance with those little scallops. All it's going to do is chunk more easily, regardless of the compound. That's nothing more than a talking point in a sales pitch.

They might have a nice tread compound, though. It sounds good, anyway.

The tire, however, could be prone to delamination, sidewall punctures/tears above the bead, chunking, and popping beads at low pressures. I could see these issues being a potential problem, unless they've engineered some way around it.

That, however, is a bit silly. People figured out off pavement tire carcasses years ago. This is one area of design that simply does not need to be updated. Every time someone tries, they end up making something worse.

A prime example are the Goodyears sitting on my spare wheel rack right now.

So much could have gone right with those. They made so many good decisions, but they just couldn't put the pencils down when they should have.

The focus should be on increased quality control, better molding techniques, inventive tread patterns, and experiments regarding tread compounds.

The number one problem with off pavement tires right now is poor quality control. After that, the biggest issue is pointless innovation. There's room for that in performance road tires, but we don't need NASA tech. We need stuff that's been working fine for decades.

That's one of the reasons I like my Generals so much. They haven't invented anything new, here. They've dredged up past adventures and slammed them on the table along with a seriously healthy sack of nuts.

I'm compromising on performance given the tread pattern, but they pay off in pretty much every other area aside from mileage.

The guy that wrote that article seems to be well-traveled given the offered resume, but he's fallen right into the trap every other tire reviewer has: I've got a new tire, I ran it around some rocks and light mud for a few miles and it didn't pop, so it gets a thumbs up.

When it comes to mud and rocks on street tolerable tires, you aren't going to see much of a performance difference between the good options until you hit Intercos, Michilin X whatevers, Simex or dedicated stickies. Everything else is going to get you as far as such a tire on your vehicle can. It's the other performance stuff, as well as durability, that separates them.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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You know you watched it. Don't even try to say you didn't. :D

Cheers,

Kennith
 

chrisvonc

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Something about that movie in particular just doesnt keep our son tuned in. Just about any other Pixar/Disney movie he watch at least a few times but I really dont think we've ever made it past 15 minutes in before our little guy punches out from Frozen and wants Cars or Cars 2....

again...

for the 7000000000th time...

end to end....

never stopping....



help us
 

ERover82

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Damn it man, now I've got to think. I'm supposed to be avoiding strenuous mental activity. :rofl:

Looks like that uses the same basic tech as the other tire. If they haven't filled out the area above the bead, I'm still not interested. That spot was quite weak on the other STT I checked out, and it's a pretty damned important spot.

You can make a tire out of bricks, if you want, but if that area isn't chock full of rubber, it will always be missing something. I'm also not entirely convinced the ply turn up is happening where it needs to, but I don't remember if those guys ever gave me the information I wanted.

I'll have to get a closer look when I can. I don't trust the cutaway diagrams I see of those things. They just don't jive with what I've handled in person.

I don't like the idea of a dedicated sidewall deflection area. Looking at the tire, it appears to be an excuse for a molding pattern that is becoming more common. Focusing all the flex in one spot constantly isn't a good idea; especially where the tread section meets the sidewalls.

That extra nonsense on the lugs is a bit silly, as well. It's still a streetable tire. You can't savethe mud performance with those little scallops. All it's going to do is chunk more easily, regardless of the compound. That's nothing more than a talking point in a sales pitch.

They might have a nice tread compound, though. It sounds good, anyway.

The tire, however, could be prone to delamination, sidewall punctures/tears above the bead, chunking, and popping beads at low pressures. I could see these issues being a potential problem, unless they've engineered some way around it.

That, however, is a bit silly. People figured out off pavement tire carcasses years ago. This is one area of design that simply does not need to be updated. Every time someone tries, they end up making something worse.

A prime example are the Goodyears sitting on my spare wheel rack right now.

So much could have gone right with those. They made so many good decisions, but they just couldn't put the pencils down when they should have.

The focus should be on increased quality control, better molding techniques, inventive tread patterns, and experiments regarding tread compounds.

The number one problem with off pavement tires right now is poor quality control. After that, the biggest issue is pointless innovation. There's room for that in performance road tires, but we don't need NASA tech. We need stuff that's been working fine for decades.

That's one of the reasons I like my Generals so much. They haven't invented anything new, here. They've dredged up past adventures and slammed them on the table along with a seriously healthy sack of nuts.

I'm compromising on performance given the tread pattern, but they pay off in pretty much every other area aside from mileage.

The guy that wrote that article seems to be well-traveled given the offered resume, but he's fallen right into the trap every other tire reviewer has: I've got a new tire, I ran it around some rocks and light mud for a few miles and it didn't pop, so it gets a thumbs up.

When it comes to mud and rocks on street tolerable tires, you aren't going to see much of a performance difference between the good options until you hit Intercos, Michilin X whatevers, Simex or dedicated stickies. Everything else is going to get you as far as such a tire on your vehicle can. It's the other performance stuff, as well as durability, that separates them.

Cheers,

Kennith

As always, we can always count on you to inform us how shitty tires are.
 

discostew

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Hey kennith my mom made a really cool Frozen costume for my niece last Halloween . You want me to see if I can get it for you ? It's gonna be tight cause she's like 7 .
 

toadermcgee

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Something about that movie in particular just doesnt keep our son tuned in. Just about any other Pixar/Disney movie he watch at least a few times but I really dont think we've ever made it past 15 minutes in before our little guy punches out from Frozen and wants Cars or Cars 2....

again...

for the 7000000000th time...

end to end....

never stopping....




help us




Look on the bright side; they do grow out of it. Feels like an eternity but it will stop, at least it did for me. It may have something to do with the VCR "died" and there wasn't a replacement to be found. :D
 

kennith

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Hey kennith my mom made a really cool Frozen costume for my niece last Halloween . You want me to see if I can get it for you ? It's gonna be tight cause she's like 7 .

Perhaps. It depends on whether I can find a prostitute that can squeeze in there.:D

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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As always, we can always count on you to inform us how shitty tires are.

It's not really a measure of shittiness.

BFG tires are competent from a construction point of view, but piss-poor quality control and less than adequate compounds ruin the package.

Goodyear used to make a great carcass, but fucked it up with a terrible compound. Now they have a great compound and tread pattern, but fucked up the carcass.

The old guard pretty much stuck to what mattered. Civilian oriented Michelin off-pavement tires used to be phenomenal, but they stopped making the damned things, for some reason.

Toyo makes great carcasses, but the stylized tread isn't always adequate, and the compound isn't entirely ideal. I'm not opposed to them at all, but you may as well get something cheaper.

Nitto makes a solid tire, but again, the compound isn't where it ought to be, and the stylized tread pattern is just a bit too much flair and a bit too little tradition.

The Generals I have use a good compound and a good carcass, but they weigh precisely sixteen million tons, and don't come in a proper mud pattern in this country; and even overseas in incredibly limited quantities. I asked several times, but they have no plans to bring them here.

Those Coopers are no different. There are good points and bad points. You just have to pick what compromises you're willing to endure, and which tire is going to work best for you.

Why can't these people build a solid tire with an effective tread pattern and a useful compound, like they used to?

Why can't they leave well enough alone?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

chrisvonc

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Look on the bright side; they do grow out of it. Feels like an eternity but it will stop, at least it did for me. It may have something to do with the VCR "died" and there wasn't a replacement to be found. :D
No such luck.. my kid is full on digital. If it doesnt work on the tv media streaming device, he has his ipad to fall back on. The only VCR he's seen is the antique at grandpa house, amazingly it still works.
 

kennith

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He can handle it . Don't worry about old Kennith . If he wants to watch gay kids movies its ok with me . I got a friend who likes to eat Cheetos and watch porn with an orange dick .

Dude, I almost inhaled my whole cigarette reading that. :rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith