Front end recovery options

aliastel

aliastel

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jmonsrvr said:
:rofl: alias
im sure your "Malls of the World: Speed Bump To Speed Bump" picture book will be greatly recieved by the masses of mall crawlers. dont forget to get some flex shots of the rovers going over parking blocks, puddle crossings in the parking lot of Mall of America, and a recovery from a tight parking spot with your new "recovery" hooks and rear bumper mounted hi lift.

its all in good fun. By now Im sure you know that hooks pretty much suck ass. Jate rings if needed or a new bumper with proper recovery points built in is the way to go. good luck on your round the world mall tour. :rolleyes:
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I'm sure you guys would buy a copy as well, mall crawlers or not. I can use the proceeds for another expedition.

Always have said that jate rings would be best cheap solution. Bumper mounted are the best overall.

P.S. Even though the D1 bumpers are not HD like, say a Kaymar or Rovertym, etc, that steel in them is thicker than you think. I noticed this when I was drilling through it to mount the Hi-Lift. Also, I think I remember that in the Camel Trophy, they mounted the Dixon-Bate tow jaws directly to the stock bumpers, front and rear. They yanked the hell out of those on the trips and I don't remember them pulling any bumpers off. Might have had reinforcing to the frame underneath though, I don't know.

David
 
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fishEH

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The D1 bumpers ARE steel. Weak steel though. I've tweaked my rear stock bumper the last two times I've been out. The first time it got pushed up so much I couldn't open the rear door. I was able to beat it back down with an 8lb sledge.

It the Cliffs I backed into a tree. Now before I get ridiculed I should mention it was muddy as hell and like driving on snot. And it was a small tree, 3-4" diameter, directly in my blind spot. Even just barely bumping it managed to tweak it a little.

Stock bumpers are weak and I would not use them for recovery.
 
05LR3AZ

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fishEH said:
The D1 bumpers ARE steel. Weak steel though. I've tweaked my rear stock bumper the last two times I've been out. The first time it got pushed up so much I couldn't open the rear door. I was able to beat it back down with an 8lb sledge.

Stock bumpers are weak and I would not use them for recovery.
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x2 I've easily bent the stock bumpers.

Save up for a bumper with solid recovery points as part of the design. Do it right once and be done with it. (to the OP) Til then, just don't get stuck, lol.
 
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aliastel said:
Always have said that jate rings would be best cheap solution. Bumper mounted are the best overall.
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No, you said JATE rings were "Kind of expensive in my opinion, but good." Then you went on to describe using a section of chain in place of a JATE ring. As others have described, this would submit the weight of your vehicle and the towing force to the washers and extended sections of bolt thus risking your life and that of others to save a few dollars.

I have good recovery points on my vehicle. However, I carry a set of JATE rings in my truck that I've never used just in case I find unprepared Land Rover owners on the trail, etc.

alistel said:
P.S. Even though the D1 bumpers are not HD like, say a Kaymar or Rovertym, etc, that steel in them is thicker than you think. I noticed this when I was drilling through it to mount the Hi-Lift. Also, I think I remember that in the Camel Trophy, they mounted the Dixon-Bate tow jaws directly to the stock bumpers, front and rear. They yanked the hell out of those on the trips and I don't remember them pulling any bumpers off. Might have had reinforcing to the frame underneath though, I don't know.

David
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IIRC the D1 CT trucks had modified bumpers and had the recovery points mounted to the winch box in front and to reinforced (to the frame) sections in the rear or had bumper cutouts to the frame.
 
jmonsrvr

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im pretty sure camel trophy discoveries used stock rear bumpers and used the mantec front bull bar/grill/ winch. The bullbar grill winch incorporated into the stock discovery front bumper.
 
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scottsdalerrc

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05LR3AZ said:
x2 I've easily bent the stock bumpers.

Save up for a bumper with solid recovery points as part of the design. Do it right once and be done with it. (to the OP) Til then, just don't get stuck, lol.
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agreed...ill stick with the receiver shackle for now and tread lightly :D
 
aliastel

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GregH said:
No, you said JATE rings were "Kind of expensive in my opinion, but good."
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Before these words I said "Jates are supposed to be the way to go." By cheap, I mean far cheaper than getting whole new bumpers with proper recovery points.

David
 
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GregH said:
IIRC the D1 CT trucks had modified bumpers and had the recovery points mounted to the winch box in front and to reinforced (to the frame) sections in the rear or had bumper cutouts to the frame.
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If this is true, that they were mounted through the stock bumper to the frame underneath somehow, then this would be another option. It would require some customization, but it would no doubt be much cheaper than aftermarket bumpers, which are damn expensive wherever you go. Doesn't solve the problem of good bumpers for jacking points though . . . , if you care about that. ;)
 
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OMG how did I miss that the idiot has found his way over here...LOL

yeah a few links of chain thats it...we should all be using a few links of chain with a nice brittle grade 8 bolt.

what were we all thinking
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Lutzgaterr

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I ran a stock front bumper for many years but I had Jate rings. Not always easy to reach but they held great.
Adding a D-ring to the Jate.... no thanks, I used only straps in the Jates.

I was nearly a victim of someone's poor welding skills when a big snatch ripped a portion of this guys home-made bumper and sent that piece of the bumper flying through the air and landing over 50 yards away... where we were all standing in case the shit broke loose. The damn hunk of bumper came ripping through the trees and landed 1 foot away! I counted my blessings.
Now I favor the backside of big trees when these guys begin snatching on these Rovers... just too much weight when these rovers are stuck hard, so winch it man, or watch out.
 
aliastel

aliastel

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Lutzgaterr said:
I ran a stock front bumper for many years but I had Jate rings. Not always easy to reach but they held great.
Adding a D-ring to the Jate.... no thanks, I used only straps in the Jates.

I was nearly a victim of someone's poor welding skills when a big snatch ripped a portion of this guys home-made bumper and sent that piece of the bumper flying through the air and landing over 50 yards away... where we were all standing in case the shit broke loose. The damn hunk of bumper came ripping through the trees and landed 1 foot away! I counted my blessings.
Now I favor the backside of big trees when these guys begin snatching on these Rovers... just too much weight when these rovers are stuck hard, so winch it man, or watch out.
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I'll have to watch out for homemade bumpers. Yeah, Discos are pretty heavy vehicles and take a lot of force to pull them loose when stuck. I remember seeing a video on youtube where a Ford tow truck broke it's frame in two trying to pull a Disco out of the mud.

As far as jates, I've never used them, but from what people say they can take quite a beating. There are cases of them breaking under load, but maybe these are the cheap welded ones for sale out there. They were actually never designed for use as recovery pull points, but rather for static use to secure military LR's while airlifting them.

Any recovery point under the vehicle is going to be a pain to get to in most situations where you need them.
 
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