General Opinion Question Regarding Engine Swapping

jbliii

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Feb 10, 2018
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This is a challenging situation and am hoping foursome guidance from he Org. Have a lifted 2003 DII - love the truck but the engine is simply a wreck. I bought the truck used and the shop claimed that they pinned the cylinder sleeves. Aside from the ongoing fight to seal a perpetual series of oil leaks, I have to watch the expansion tank weekly as it's exchanging coolant for exhaust gasses. Net result is that it's underpowered, leaks water and oil, and get awful gas mileage.

So here the options ... a) Repower with a British Atlantic overhauled long block, or b) Do the LS swap.

Option A - for $7,500 I get basically a new 4.6L motor plus whatever labor to do the replacement - will most likely replace the fuel injectors and relocation the coil packs. Pros: Relevantly low risk replacement guaranteed to fit and functionally work well with the truck / Cons: Business As Usual with what Already have i.e. mediocre horsepower, poor fuel consumption and the potential for future issues with oil leaks etc.

Option B: LS Swap - gone through the ACE website and am on the LS Swap Facebook group. First you need to select a used LS 5.3 - would sensibly overhaul before installation so should be significant associated costs, plus the cost of the ACE kit $2K plus, and additional costs associated with ACE suggested additional purchases, plus labor cost to do the replacement plus the need to have ACE provide a modified engine harness. Pros: At least a 100+ horsepower increase, most far more reliability, increases in gas mileage and more options for maintenance and horsepower improvements. Cons: Mainly costs $15K to $20K depending on having ACE do the actual labor, and risk from compatibly issues coupled and inspection complications

Guys, my apologies for the long message - this is my 3rd Disco so I'm very familiar with the truck. I'd like to keep it for at least another 5 years but am at a bit of a crossroads - any advice, opinions, guidance etc. will be greatly appreciated.

Thank You
 

discostew

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How about adding an option C.

As much as you like this truck it might not warrant spending that much money on it. Your talking about putting at least 10K in it with your cheapest option. The other option has you putting 20K into a truck that will be worth 1/2 that when done. To put it another way, option B puts you 20k away from a 7K truck.

I would be looking for a truck with a good engine. A parts truck. Maybe one that just spit the front prop shaft into the side of the trans, or one that has the rear frame rail rot but a good engine. They’re out there.
 

rovercanus

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If you have the skill to do an LS swap, you have the skill to rebuild an engine.
Pick up an engine and tear it down. Pin the liners yourself, there is a write up here on the site.
Don't get the AB long blocks, I've heard of a lot failures with them.
Like stated above, get a parts truck or something.
Listen to discostew or he will start calling you names and stuff.
 
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ERover82

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Have you contacted M&D to see what they can offer? Sounds like you want something built well that doesn’t cost a fortune.
 

Blueboy

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How many miles on the current engine? Why only keeping it for 5 more years? As mentioned an engine rebuild sounds like the easiest / most value for the money option. If you want a fast vehicle sell the Disco and buy an AWD something.
 

4Runner

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I don’t know. I just went thru this a year ago. As hard as I tried to get great parts and a much better example of a Bosch 4.6 , I wound up with some higher power out of a mediocre power plant. I would so a swap. Really any swap and I would have been ahead of the game. And it still is hit or miss on the emission testing. Usually a few tries and the weather being just right to get it to pass. And literally there is nothing else to replace. I still might pull the engine, change it to a distributor motor with better non SAI heads and put it in something else and sell the D2 without a motor. 😐. It’s the lack of higher quality parts that just makes building those motors so damn frustrating. Or you have 15k in a motor that doesn’t even have 400hp. I am also with you in that fact that I happen to love everything else about Discos. My rant probably didn’t help that much but good luck on your decision. I don’t think dumping money in a vehicle that you are going to keep a long term is a bad idea, despite the end value, if it makes you happy. You can get into a bind if it gets wrecked or stolen and you don’t have a “ stated value” policy.
 
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Greg_M

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Fuel consumption is my only complaint with the RV8. Otherwise, smooth, sounds good (maybe it's the Borla?), enough power for me (I don't have a heavy foot anymore), and simple enough. But the thirst...
 

DiscoHasBeen

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The "keeping it 5 years" thing is a problem. You can't look at it as you spent 20k like you paid that for a BJ and it's over. So let's say you keep the truck twenty years, then you need to spread that 20k out over those years. So would it be worth 1k a year to enjoy that truck? Or if it's 10 years 2k a year. Yes I understand there can be maintenance cost and such. Also getting the insurance right as stated above. But like I said, you can buy a $100 bag of weed and smoke it in a week, then it's gone. Or you can buy a $100 knife and carry it on you for years and years.

To me it comes down to what that truck means to you vs you're financial situation vs how long you see it being in your future.
 

4Runner

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Sounds like you may need head gaskets. My various rover v8s have been extremely reliable over the last 26yrs. Most leak a little oil, and power steering fluid, and coolant. I can most certainly rely on them marking their spot.
All of my D1’s have been great. I just feel like they were asking the 4.6 in the D2s to constantly operate outside of what they were designed for. I didn’t realize how bad it was till I purchased one and tried to push it a little more. For me it’s a combination of not liking the Bosch set up and then everything the Bosch motor forces you to not do because it’s a Bosch set up. So much more freedom with 14CUX. Personally I think 14CUX and GEMs was as good as it gets for Rover V8’s. Unless you go with an aftermarket management system.
 

1of40

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Are the ACE kits even available? I thought I’d read they are very backordered.

I would not throw money at BA for a long block. They don’t have a great history of standing behind their rebuilt blocks.
 

1of40

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Do they make you jump through hoops to prove it was installed properly or something?
They've been known to require the block to be sent back. At the end of the day, they are the middleman and you are buying a used part. Buy local and support the independent machinists while they last. My recommendation is to buy a block from Will Tillery and send it directly to a machinist of your choice for inspection and build. My truck is at 200K and this is what I plan to do someday.
 
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