Gone...but will be back to lurk occasionaly.

[DIIdude]

I really needed the lifetime warrenty(peace of mind), and it gets good gas mileage.

Now that's funny, only someone who's owned a Rover could think a Wrangler gets good gas mileage.

As for the warranty breaking the company, I doubt it. It's only good for the original owner, so it's not that much different than, say a 100,000 miler. Also it's power train only, and they have those pretty reliable nowadays.

 

[p m]

As I've said before though, every time I drove the jeep I just felt so ordinary

Ryan - that wasn't meant as an offense to you, but:
It blows my fucking mind - why do you people give a shit about what you are _seen_ in?
It blows my mind either way - I had the same feeling when Mike Villanueva raved about getting the thumbs up from the valets years ago.

Get the vehicle you can love, and live with it.
I completely understand having enough with Land Rovers and getting a jeep (or anything, for that matter). I also completely understand having enough with jeeps and wanting a Land Rover. I have a problem with vehicles that are personal statements, in any way - be it a pink 79 Eldorado, or brand new Range Rover - so I'd rather not get in either, but anything else? I don't care whether I'm "lookin' cool" in my ride or not.

 

[Blue]

Before I sold the bimmer and bought my second Disco, I seriously looked at a jeep rubicon. I looked at them, crawled all over them, under the hood, under the truck, drove it, went home, thought about it, drove it again, ran some numbers, laughed at the jeep salesmen who had only been there a month and knew less than I did after surfing the net for 15 minutes, and bought the Disco.

 

[cxavierc21]

Ryan - that wasn't meant as an offense to you, but:
It blows my fucking mind - why do you people give a shit about what you are _seen_ in?
It blows my mind either way - I had the same feeling when Mike Villanueva raved about getting the thumbs up from the valets years ago.

Get the vehicle you can love, and live with it.
I completely understand having enough with Land Rovers and getting a jeep (or anything, for that matter). I also completely understand having enough with jeeps and wanting a Land Rover. I have a problem with vehicles that are personal statements, in any way - be it a pink 79 Eldorado, or brand new Range Rover - so I'd rather not get in either, but anything else? I don't care whether I'm "lookin' cool" in my ride or not.

This so reminds me of third-eighth grade, "You shouldnt care about being popular, only your acedemic sucsess counts when the birthday cake says 3 0. Not who had nicer jeans and better hair."

Looking cool is half the fun owning a Land Rover.
Ex: I can't help but envy this guy I see in a D130 double-cab every once and a while. It is just such a cool truck and I would love to drive it around making f-350's and Chevy's look like p.o.s. If your not into the elitest feeling you get while driving a LR then go buy a J**p.

 

[garrett]

Before I sold the bimmer and bought my second Disco, I seriously looked at a jeep rubicon. I looked at them, crawled all over them, under the hood, under the truck, drove it, went home, thought about it, drove it again, ran some numbers, laughed at the jeep salesmen who had only been there a month and knew less than I did after surfing the net for 15 minutes, and bought the Disco.

You've either got the love or ya don't. Those that don't try to rationalize something they never had.

 

[p m]

You've either got the love or ya don't. Those that don't try to rationalize something they never had.

Well said, Garrett.

This so reminds me of third-eighth grade, "You shouldnt care about being popular, only your acedemic sucsess counts when the birthday cake says 3 0. Not who had nicer jeans and better hair."

Looking cool is half the fun owning a Land Rover.
Ex: I can't help but envy this guy I see in a D130 double-cab every once and a while. It is just such a cool truck and I would love to drive it around making f-350's and Chevy's look like p.o.s. If your not into the elitest feeling you get while driving a LR then go buy a J**p.

That's precisely the attitude that I meant.
No, looking cool is not half the fun owning a Land Rover. There's no reason to launch a diatribe about why Land Rovers are better or worse than brand X or Y. You either love them or you don't, and there's no reason to hold on to one when the love is lost.

And the "elitest" are the white trash thinking they are buying themselves into looking cool.

FWIW, compared to any american 3/4-ton pickup, a D130 is a complete mechanical disaster.

 

[Steve]

This so reminds me of third-eighth grade, "You shouldnt care about being popular, only your acedemic sucsess counts when the birthday cake says 3 0. Not who had nicer jeans and better hair."

I see you matriculated from the Chapman University. :rofl: (sorry Dan)...

To be quite frank, I'd argue that if the only thing you've got going for you at 30 is what you accomplished through academia, you are way behind the eight ball.

I think there are other reasons to own a LR than some perceived elitism. How about uniqueness?

 

[Roverlady]

Unique, yes.
Elite? No way. I paid $12K for my truck! How can I consider myself elite?! lol

 

[kellymoe]

FWIW, compared to any american 3/4-ton pickup, a D130 is a complete mechanical disaster.

?????? Peter, can you elaborate.

 

[Roverlady]

Aluminum beds, right? No major load carrying capacity?

 

[p m]

?????? Peter, can you elaborate.

Kevin,
Not knocking your ride by any means - the love is where the love is. I love your truck, too!
But you can't possibly argue superiority of a D130 over big-three 3/4- or 1-tons in any other respect.

It just occured to me that I have seen similar vintage 110s and 130s used in the same conditions as american pickups.
Three years on gravel and in merciless military and contractors' hands, Defenders look as good as new and leak fluids from every orifice. Chevy 3/4-tons and Ford Super Duty pickus are missing all sorts of exterior trim, but there's nothing but dry Mesopotamian dust underside.

 

[cxavierc21]

That came out wrong. What I ment by the elitest thing wasn't the RR I am better because I paid more. What I really ment was knowing that your truck is different and not a cookie cutter 4x4. And I don't know anything about D130's, just think that they look very sharp and practical next to an American 3/4ton that is 5 feet off the ground. I also have no problem with other brands of 4x4.

I do hold strong in my opinion that half the fun of a LR is looking cool though. I dont mean it in the sense of looking rich and pompous in your 2008 RR. I mean more like driving your reconditioned Series that most people don't know of or a trail ready Disocvery that looks like it belongs out exploring remote reigons of Africa.

 

[Roverlady]

I'd love to have a D130!!

But for hauling and towing I think the big trucks would be a better choice?

 

[kellymoe]

Kevin,
Not knocking your ride by any means - the love is where the love is. I love your truck, too!
But you can't possibly argue superiority of a D130 over big-three 3/4- or 1-tons in any other respect.

It just occured to me that I have seen similar vintage 110s and 130s used in the same conditions as american pickups.
Three years on gravel and in merciless military and contractors' hands, Defenders look as good as new and leak fluids from every orifice. Chevy 3/4-tons and Ford Super Duty pickus are missing all sorts of exterior trim, but there's nothing but dry Mesopotamian dust underside.

Cant argue with that. My 130 is under powered like every older Land Rover. I have been pleasantly surprised since owning it that I have had now breakdowns or mechanical problems. It also does not leak a drop of oil, I cant say the same for my Disco.

I am heading into Eureka Valley and Saline Valley next week on a solo trip. I'm taking the 130 because I have more faith in it than my Disco. Part of the reason is that I have neglected the Disco because the 130 is my DD and I am pretty meticulous with maintenance.

Sure there are better trucks, but damn I love driving the 130.

 

[garrett]

I'd love to have a D130!!

But for hauling and towing I think the big trucks would be a better choice?

I'm not a big fan of oversized, overpowered US pickup trucks. One of the most inefficient new cars out there. Most American's buy them to commute to work and pick up a few 2x4s every six months to convince themselves they needed it to begin with.
Contractors, landscapers, etc certainly make good use of them, but do they really need to have 300 HP and be that large? Are we really that fat?
Granted Europeans don't have to drive the distances we do or have all the big toys and fat asses that we do here in the states, but most of the world does just fine with far more efficient vehicles.
We don't own one, but sure it would be easier to move cattle, horses, equipment and numerous other items, but considering the amount of times that it needs to be done we just hire someone.
It won't be long when turds like the DuraMax are replaced by superior engines that produce good power, good fuel economy and still pull some decent cargo.

 

[p m]

That came out wrong. What I ment by the elitest thing wasn't the RR I am better because I paid more. What I really ment was knowing that your truck is different and not a cookie cutter 4x4. And I don't know anything about D130's, just think that they look very sharp and practical next to an American 3/4ton that is 5 feet off the ground. I also have no problem with other brands of 4x4.

I do hold strong in my opinion that half the fun of a LR is looking cool though. I dont mean it in the sense of looking rich and pompous in your 2008 RR. I mean more like driving your reconditioned Series that most people don't know of or a trail ready Disocvery that looks like it belongs out exploring remote reigons of Africa.

There are several misconceptions out there.

Cookie cutter 4x4 - I've known a guy driving a complete piece of shit Ford Ranger pickup on 31s, who'd take it to places unimaginable. A very humble guy, except for the truck was such an abomination that driving it on the street was as much of a vehicular statement as driving a brand new RR.

Sharp and practical, or belonging to remote regions? There are fewer and fewer Land Rovers left in Africa - because they lose to Toyota. And an FJ75 pickup looks just as sharp and practical as a Defender, just doesn't leak oil and doesn't puke coolant.

Speaking of "elitest" -looks like you're still underrating academic success.

 

[flyfisher11]

.......
FWIW, compared to any american 3/4-ton pickup, a D130 is a complete mechanical disaster.

Especially a Duramax/Allison GM!

 

[DiscoveryXD]

I'm not a big fan of oversized, overpowered US pickup trucks. One of the most inefficient new cars out there. Most American's buy them to commute to work and pick up a few 2x4s every six months to convince themselves they needed it to begin with.
Contractors, landscapers, etc certainly make good use of them, but do they really need to have 300 HP and be that large? Are we really that fat?
Granted Europeans don't have to drive the distances we do or have all the big toys and fat asses that we do here in the states, but most of the world does just fine with far more efficient vehicles.
We don't own one, but sure it would be easier to move cattle, horses, equipment and numerous other items, but considering the amount of times that it needs to be done we just hire someone.
It won't be long when turds like the DuraMax are replaced by superior engines that produce good power, good fuel economy and still pull some decent cargo.

So true. My dad has a big ford F350 diesel.... It sit's in the driveway most of the time while he rockets around in his turbo charged VW bug:rofl: We got it for dirt cheap and it gets 30+ mpg, even if it is a little girly...



Rover's are a major pain at times and no matter how many times I tell myself that I could have a much more capable truck for a lot less money, I can't see myself driving anything else. I love my truck and will always be a Rover guy.... but that doesn't mean I won't own any other 4x4's. I REALLY want to build up a toyota LC

 

[flyfisher11]

I'm not a big fan of oversized, overpowered US pickup trucks. One of the most inefficient new cars out there. Most American's buy them to commute to work and pick up a few 2x4s every six months to convince themselves they needed it to begin with.
Contractors, landscapers, etc certainly make good use of them, but do they really need to have 300 HP and be that large? Are we really that fat?
Granted Europeans don't have to drive the distances we do or have all the big toys and fat asses that we do here in the states, but most of the world does just fine with far more efficient vehicles.
We don't own one, but sure it would be easier to move cattle, horses, equipment and numerous other items, but considering the amount of times that it needs to be done we just hire someone.
It won't be long when turds like the DuraMax are replaced by superior engines that produce good power, good fuel economy and still pull some decent cargo.

Dude you need to come try to pull 10k or better where I live. That fat ass Duramax is what is needed. Even my brother in laws 6.0 Ford powerstroke has a helluva time up the 7% grade to where I live (pulling a tractor etc..). That Duramax isn't a turd btw. It is an Isuzu I'll have you know

Cheers,

Mike

edit: The duramax weighing twice what a rover does still get much better mileage

 

[Steve]

My 130 is under powered like every older Land Rover.

Almost every.