Gun 'style' in the media

pinkytoe69

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It also doesn't change the fact that a stockcar is still a car. May have been developed to move shit from A to B but they can also race and go real fast in sport.

Do you realize you just backed up the exact point I was making?

Just because a stock car has no passenger seat or cargo room and goes really really fast, it is still a car.

Just cause a trap gun is heavier and has a longer barrel, it is still a weapon.
 

brian4d

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The task an individual uses a thing for does not change what that thing is.

I don't see your argument here. People, guns and everything else in this world can evolve and change. How are guns any different? A guillotine was designed and used to kill people. Now they are tourist attractions.
 

pinkytoe69

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I'm just refuting the logic of anyone saying:

I never shoot my guns at any living beings, therefore they are not weapons.

It's nauseatingly disingenuous.
 

brian4d

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I'm just refuting the logic of anyone saying:

I never shoot my guns at any living beings, therefore they are not weapons.

It's nauseatingly disingenuous.

This is semantics. A butter knife could be a weapon. Who cares?

I would argue that normal non-weapons can be turned into devastating weapons and inflict much more carnage than a single AR-15.
 

pinkytoe69

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This is semantics. A butter knife could be a weapon. Who cares?

No shit. Anything can be a weapon.

The point is, some things, like firearms and samurai swords, are specifically and explicitly created to be weapons.

That this fact may inconvenient to your lifestyle does not make it untrue.

I would argue that normal non-weapons can be turned into devastating weapons and inflict much more carnage than a single AR-15.

And I would not dispute that.

If I dropped my house on a mass of people, that would be pretty devastating.

Still that does not change the fact that an AR15 is a weapon even if it went straight from the store to hanging over your fireplace till the end of time.
 

SGaynor

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Jesus...anything that can be used to hurt someone or is brandished in a menacing fashion is a weapon. If you are still confused...Listen to Gunny

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brian4d

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That this fact may inconvenient to your lifestyle does not make it untrue.

Why would this be inconvenient? I know I have guns in the house. I know I have a truck in the garage, and I know I have a gas hedge trimmer hanging on the wall by a tool box, all potentially nasty things. All can be weapons or none can be weapons. It depends on how you use them that sets it apart. I would use my shotgun (or 870 express) to shoot trap, I'd use my weapon to stop an intruder. See the difference?

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a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
"nuclear weapons"
a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.
"resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armory"
 

kennith

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No shit. Anything can be a weapon.

The point is, some things, like firearms and samurai swords, are specifically and explicitly created to be weapons.

That this fact may inconvenient to your lifestyle does not make it untrue.



And I would not dispute that.

If I dropped my house on a mass of people, that would be pretty devastating.

Still that does not change the fact that an AR15 is a weapon even if it went straight from the store to hanging over your fireplace till the end of time.

You kind of stepped in some mud, there.

Table knives of all kinds came about after a ban on sharp knives in eateries and during feasts a very long time ago.

Before that, people just used whatever daggers or utility knives they were carrying. They could have blunted them to comply, but that would be stupid. Separate, cheaper knives were purchased to be blunted, as a result.

Didn't take too long for establishments and organizers to purchase their own unsharpened blades, to be issued at the table. It saved a lot of frustration, and also opened the world to the concept of walking off with someone's cutlery.

The end result of all this was eventually the folding "pocket knife". It was a way around it all, that allowed one to carry a "weapon" into such events more covertly, and at the very least skirted the law at the time; which had no way to account for folding knives.

A butter knife, and indeed table-related cutlery of all kinds, is nothing more than a weapon blunted. Doesn't actually stop it from being deadly, but if you sharpen it back up, it's much more nasty.

...and by all that's holy, man; there's no such thing as a "samurai sword". It's a Japanese Sword. Their own word for it translates directly to "Japanese sword": Nihonto. They have no need to differentiate between them, beyond tacking something at either end to identify excessive length variation.

A samurai was primarily a ranged unit, and when in close combat, as any other soldier in history, used pole-arms as primary weapons. Swords were side-arms.

Interestingly, they were one of the first (and only) cultures to develop culinary-specific cutlery without being required to do so. Probably had something to do with all the seafood.

Japanese knives and swords are thick and heavy in relation to almost all others. They aren't particularly good in the kitchen.

So, if you're referring to a santoku or similar developments, I can dig it. A steak or butter knife? Nope. Those are always going to be weapons first.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

gimebakmybulits

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No shit. Anything can be a weapon.

The point is, some things, like firearms and samurai swords, are specifically and explicitly created to be weapons.

That this fact may inconvenient to your lifestyle does not make it untrue.



And I would not dispute that.

If I dropped my house on a mass of people, that would be pretty devastating.

Still that does not change the fact that an AR15 is a weapon even if it went straight from the store to hanging over your fireplace till the end of time.
So what is your point and why are you still here?
Trucks (Bastille Day), a dollars worth of gasoline (NYC night club) and a combination of fuel & fertilizer (OKC) have killed far more people in their specific events than scary black (racist) rifles ever have in these shootings. Now please go fight the good fight banning those items.....
 

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Wtf are you guys arguing about again? Looks like this thread has veered waaay into the weeds. I do love my Santokou knives though; use them probably the most in the kitchen.
 

SGaynor

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Wtf are you guys arguing about again? Looks like this thread has veered waaay into the weeds. I do love my Santokou knives though; use them probably the most in the kitchen.

Let's keep going into the ditch...

I love the feel/utility of santokus

My 7" Santoku (Shun Kaji) is the shit, and pretty much the only knife I use in the kitchen. I have a paring knife and a slicing knife (for cutting thin/long meat) but this is my go to knife. Well, I do have a cheap $15 santoku I use if I'm going around bones/through joints, but that's just to save the blade of the better knife - that Shun is sharp as hell.
 

Ballah06

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Let's keep going into the ditch...

I love the feel/utility of santokus

My 7" Santoku (Shun Kaji) is the shit, and pretty much the only knife I use in the kitchen. I have a paring knife and a slicing knife (for cutting thin/long meat) but this is my go to knife. Well, I do have a cheap $15 santoku I use if I'm going around bones/through joints, but that's just to save the blade of the better knife - that Shun is sharp as hell.

Word. Have a few sets of Calphalon knives and really like them. Pretty much never use the steak knives but Santoku, 8" Chef and pairing knives are most used. Also love the Dexter fillet knife for trimming brisket, etc. Really like the Calphalon brand, to include their pots and pans. Le Creuset plates and cups are awesome; hold up really well. An electric Cuisinart sharpner works really well; just one pass and the knives are razor sharp. Since we are talking about kitchen gadgets, an air fryer is awesome. Best chicken wings, drumsticks, etc. i have had.
 

brian4d

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Heard a great comment from someone speaking about the March for our Lives Protest.

Something like:

We used to march for our rights, now we're marching to take our rights away. Very odd.


And.. I would agree.
 

kennith

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Let's keep going into the ditch...

I love the feel/utility of santokus

My 7" Santoku (Shun Kaji) is the shit, and pretty much the only knife I use in the kitchen. I have a paring knife and a slicing knife (for cutting thin/long meat) but this is my go to knife. Well, I do have a cheap $15 santoku I use if I'm going around bones/through joints, but that's just to save the blade of the better knife - that Shun is sharp as hell.

I've got the Shun Classic models, myself. They know what they're doing at Kai.

Are they a bit excessive? Yup... :D

Cheers,

Kennith
 

SGaynor

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I've got the Shun Classic models, myself. They know what they're doing at Kai.

Are they a bit excessive? Yup... :D

Cheers,

Kennith

I got a pile of Williams-Sonoma gift certificates when I hit my 10 year work anniversary, and wanted a nice knife, particularly a santoku. Went to W-S and found the Kaji Fell in love...

I remember the first time I used it to cut a watermellon. Using my Henkel took a fair amount of force - with the Shun it was like cutting through soft butter.

I just "sharpened" it with a steel for the first 6 years I had it. I finally sent it in for their (free) professional sharpening; more to clean up a couple of chips - it would still take a finger off with ease. I don't want to mess with the blade beyond using a steel since it's so hard.

I keep toying with buying one of their bread knives (I like the Classic), but I can't get decent bread around here and I'm not into baking...

A $100 for a paring knife is a bit excessive, but this boning/filet knife is nice.

This is damn pretty...might have to (finally) get a chef's knife: https://www.williams-sonoma.com/pro...ch-chefs-knife/?pkey=cknives-shun|shun-hikari
 

kennith

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I got a pile of Williams-Sonoma gift certificates when I hit my 10 year work anniversary, and wanted a nice knife, particularly a santoku. Went to W-S and found the Kaji Fell in love...

I remember the first time I used it to cut a watermellon. Using my Henkel took a fair amount of force - with the Shun it was like cutting through soft butter.

I just "sharpened" it with a steel for the first 6 years I had it. I finally sent it in for their (free) professional sharpening; more to clean up a couple of chips - it would still take a finger off with ease. I don't want to mess with the blade beyond using a steel since it's so hard.

I keep toying with buying one of their bread knives (I like the Classic), but I can't get decent bread around here and I'm not into baking...

A $100 for a paring knife is a bit excessive, but this boning/filet knife is nice.

This is damn pretty...might have to (finally) get a chef's knife: https://www.williams-sonoma.com/pro...ch-chefs-knife/?pkey=cknives-shun|shun-hikari

Yup. Usually all you have to do is align the edge with a steel once and a while, unless you manage to chip it. I got the factory sharpening stone for Christmas a while back, and it's more than sufficient for sharpening and polishing it back to an edge if it's chipped or rolled a bit too much for steeling after a few years.

Obviously it's useless if you don't know what you're doing, but sharpening is more about patience than anything else.

I've got a block set. Their European profiles are just as good as the Japanese profiles, but given that very, very shallow grind, you'll have to get used to them if you've been slinging Wusthof around for years.

Fail to do that, and you'll be visiting the hospital with some amount of regularity; or at least running out of super-glue.

I do have the bread knife, and it's by far one of the most beautifully wicked-looking objects I own. I don't eat much bread anymore, but it's still very useful. To be fair, it's rather silly to put all that design effort into a serrated blade, but if you're in for a penny you may as well be in for a pound, right?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

SGaynor

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I meant the steel was hard (brittle) not that sharpening is hard...I know how to do that. But I figured sending the thing in for a week or so every few years was easier that dicking around with the stones.

The off-set bread knife, right? Yeah, it is wicked looking. That's why I keep thinking about it.
 

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The off-set bread knife, right? Yeah, it is wicked looking. That's why I keep thinking about it.
Holy CRAP that's a lot a cheddar for a bread knife.
How much is the cheese knife?

Goto le dollar store.
Buy a knife for a dollar.
Use it until it isn't sharp.
Throw away, or give to someone you don't like.
Repeat.

That's 145 dollar store knives.
I'm not certain (at my current age) if that might not be a better deal.
I'd have to start mailing the used knives to people on interweb forums to get rid of them.
I don't know that many 3D people.