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discostew

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It means that Chris is going to drive defensively and not get hit by some ass hat that won't yield or what ever they do that pisses you off so bad. You on the other hand are gong to go full bore into the intersection because " Gosh Darnit, I have the right of way". But your driving a '05 Colorado with 250,000 plus miles on it and worth about $75 on the open market. So who cares right?
 

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It is a good subject to bring up.
Chris commented once that I drive much more aggressively in San Diego that I do elsewhere - I started paying attention to that.
My local commute varies, I know every route I can take, and I hate every second of it. It annoys me to no end when, say, somebody slams on brakes in front of a Yield sign where clearly there's no cross traffic for half a mile in every direction.
But...
It could be a kid, or it could be a lil old lady, and they just don't have the same perception of traffic that I do. And the road exists for them just as much as it is for me. Even someone on the cell phone may have a very legit reason to have this conversation right there and then.

Watch the Russian car crash videos, and count how many accidents could have been avoided if the drivers did not insist on having their right of way.
There are counter-examples, but few and far between.
 
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DiscoHasBeen

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It means that Chris is going to drive defensively and not get hit by some ass hat that won't yield or what ever they do that pisses you off so bad. You on the other hand are gong to go full bore into the intersection because " Gosh Darnit, I have the right of way". But your driving a '05 Colorado with 250,000 plus miles on it and worth about $75 on the open market. So who cares right?
That's not what he said dumbass, he said I'm a nice guy and let them go around. Fuck you're just stupid.
 

discostew

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There are three problems with that. One, those aren't the "rules of the road". Two, it causes confusion because someone like me, who respects right of way is waiting around for you to come through. It ends up taking longer. And three, it encourages others to pull out into traffic. Traffic that thinks they have the right of way. The law of unintended consequences. Trying to be nice about this just might get someone killed next time.
So are you not saying that Chris will get someone killed by waiting for them to figure out what they are going to do? Cause thats the way I read it.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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So are you not saying that Chris will get someone killed by waiting for them to figure out what they are going to do? Cause thats the way I read it.
I see others do it. They yield their right-of-way to the driver behind the obstruction. The problem becomes what happens when that driver comes upon the next biker and goes around expecting oncoming traffic to yield. I hate it any time someone has the right-of-way and yields it to me, at a stop sign, in a parking lot, wherever. I don't know what's going on. Are they being nice, are they not paying attention, are they unsure who has ROW. It just causes confusion and slows the whole encounter down.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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It is a good subject to bring up.
Chris commented once that I drive much more aggressively in San Diego that I do elsewhere - I started paying attention to that.
My local commute varies, I know every route I can take, and I hate every second of it. It annoys me to no end when, say, somebody slams on brakes in front of a Yield sign where clearly there's no cross traffic for half a mile in every direction.
But...
It could be a kid, or it could be a lil old lady, and they just don't have the same perception of traffic that I do. And the road exists for them just as much as it is for me. Even someone on the cell phone may have a very legit reason to have this conversation right there and then.

Watch the Russian car crash videos, and count how many accidents could have been avoided if the drivers did not insist on having their right of way.
There are counter-examples, but few and far between.
My co-worker and I talk about this often. The problem as I see it with most drivers is they drive six feet in front of their bumper. When I'm coming to a stop sign I start sizing up the situation well before I get to it. So that when I get there I know WTF is going on. Same with roundabouts. I, most of the time, blaze right through them because I've addressed the situation well before I get there. The one that really causes me distress is an intersection where the crossing traffic has to stop and I don't, because the amount of fucking people that either don't look, or who look and pull out anyway, is unbelievable.
 
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bri

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look at Finland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, etc...capitalist economic systems and some of the most responsible drivers in existence.
when you have time you tube Finnish drivers education or Finnish racing. They start racing at like 13. Dirt and gravel...no surprise they are the best rally drivers. The rule is cars have to be almost identical like scca and if somebody wants to trade cars you have to trade.
I agree with others regarding the entitled mindset, of Americans. We are raising, hands down, the most entitled generation in the world.
People are dumb, many drivers are. I have not had the same experience in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Luxemburg.

Some of the worst accidents I have ever seen were on the autobahn in Germany after their favorite sign (end of all limits).

Really fast in fog is not responsible and they do it in Germany all the time. Imagine what it is like in dense fog. Me driving some POS rental going 30MPH in the right lane and them going 150MPH in the left lane. Dumb.