HDTV'S on Black Friday
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chris snell said:
Bev and I have been shopping for a new TV. Interestingly
ListenUp - best price and extended warranty
Ultimate - matched ListenUp but still was able to get the best total price from LU
Best Buy - highest price and highest warranty cost. They mostly carry mid to low end stuff. Feels like they are headed down the Ultimate Electronics path of 5 years ago.
Ultimate - matched ListenUp but still was able to get the best total price from LU
Best Buy - highest price and highest warranty cost. They mostly carry mid to low end stuff. Feels like they are headed down the Ultimate Electronics path of 5 years ago.
While at ListenUp was able to hear some Bowers and Wilkens 800 speakers. Amazing. Performance and .......... Price.
az_max said:
An LED tv is still and LCD tv it just uses a different backlight.
and I think I found the one, Its a Philips LCD 47" 1080P, 120hz. (47PFL5704D/F7) not the best but no cheapy either and at $698 I'll take it. Going to get it tomorrow on my lunch break.
I'm getting close to hitting the buy button on this jewel, should I wait until Monday and make sure I don't miss out on some internet special?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN55C...ref=sr_1_4?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1290544886&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN55C...ref=sr_1_4?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1290544886&sr=1-4
You can't just buy any old flat screen and expect it to be wonderful, no matter how much you pay for it.
There are a lot of factors to consider. Pioneer had the Kuro, and that was the cat's ass. It all comes down to whether or not the television can be calibrated to hit standards. Most can't.
Since the demise of the Kuro, Panasonic makes the most accurate televisions on the market, and they calibrate wonderfully. Almost everything else either has a drastic compromise or poor calibration abilities. The screens just won't meet the standard, no matter how hard you try.
There are only a few reasons to buy an LCD. If you leave the television on all the time, when channels may not be displaying full screen images, a plasma can burn in over time. If you are concerned about a little extra heat and energy usage, an LCD is easier on the wallet, but it's going to take a while to pay for itself, as LCDs are generally more expensive for a good model. If your television is in an incredibly bright room, sometimes a plasma isn't the answer depending on how the room is arranged. If you plan on using it as a computer monitor, definitely go with an LCD to avoid the burn in issues.
That motion control crap on LCDs doesn't work. Still images can appear to be static images, and fast motion just doesn't display properly. While the new LED side-lit models display darker blacks, they clip the lower end in the process. Plasma televisions can display proper blacks, leaving detail alive at the same time. LCDs generally have shortcomings in color reproduction as well, while plasmas do not. The viewing angle issues on LCDs has improved, however.
The technology used in these new 3D systems has been around for ages. I had shutter glasses and a 3D computer setup in 1996. It sucked then, and it sucks now, but people want it, so the manufacturers are trying to make it work. It's never going to. Up the frequencies all you want, you are still dealing with adding or removing frames, and that always fucks things up. Color reproduction goes out the window and the flicker never goes away.
An LCD is for people who need an LCD. It is not superior technology.
This is what I've got, in the 50 inch size.
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/panasonic_viera_th_xx800u.jpg
I'm about to buy another, but it's going to be used in a different way, with frequent static images, so it will be an LCD.
Panasonic has always been the brand to beat. They pull no punches in their televisions. Kuro was in another class. Right below it, however, was Panasonic. Just below Panasonic, Toshiba hung out for a very long time.
Sony is overrated, and Samsung cuts corners.
Cheers,
Kennith
There are a lot of factors to consider. Pioneer had the Kuro, and that was the cat's ass. It all comes down to whether or not the television can be calibrated to hit standards. Most can't.
Since the demise of the Kuro, Panasonic makes the most accurate televisions on the market, and they calibrate wonderfully. Almost everything else either has a drastic compromise or poor calibration abilities. The screens just won't meet the standard, no matter how hard you try.
There are only a few reasons to buy an LCD. If you leave the television on all the time, when channels may not be displaying full screen images, a plasma can burn in over time. If you are concerned about a little extra heat and energy usage, an LCD is easier on the wallet, but it's going to take a while to pay for itself, as LCDs are generally more expensive for a good model. If your television is in an incredibly bright room, sometimes a plasma isn't the answer depending on how the room is arranged. If you plan on using it as a computer monitor, definitely go with an LCD to avoid the burn in issues.
That motion control crap on LCDs doesn't work. Still images can appear to be static images, and fast motion just doesn't display properly. While the new LED side-lit models display darker blacks, they clip the lower end in the process. Plasma televisions can display proper blacks, leaving detail alive at the same time. LCDs generally have shortcomings in color reproduction as well, while plasmas do not. The viewing angle issues on LCDs has improved, however.
The technology used in these new 3D systems has been around for ages. I had shutter glasses and a 3D computer setup in 1996. It sucked then, and it sucks now, but people want it, so the manufacturers are trying to make it work. It's never going to. Up the frequencies all you want, you are still dealing with adding or removing frames, and that always fucks things up. Color reproduction goes out the window and the flicker never goes away.
An LCD is for people who need an LCD. It is not superior technology.
This is what I've got, in the 50 inch size.
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/panasonic_viera_th_xx800u.jpg
I'm about to buy another, but it's going to be used in a different way, with frequent static images, so it will be an LCD.
Panasonic has always been the brand to beat. They pull no punches in their televisions. Kuro was in another class. Right below it, however, was Panasonic. Just below Panasonic, Toshiba hung out for a very long time.
Sony is overrated, and Samsung cuts corners.
Cheers,
Kennith
I should also add that, unless you are in a size category that doesn't offer it, there is no excuse to get less than 1080p resolution. There is nothing wrong with 720p, but 1080p is the standard, and it's not too bright to compromise.
A few years ago, 720p made sense. 1080p was far more expensive. Now, it's only a couple hundred bucks over a television that's already between one grand and four. Better equipment goes into the 1080p models as well.
Cheers,
Kennith
A few years ago, 720p made sense. 1080p was far more expensive. Now, it's only a couple hundred bucks over a television that's already between one grand and four. Better equipment goes into the 1080p models as well.
Cheers,
Kennith
I just bought this Samsung from BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+50%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9789343.p?id=1218175322173&skuId=9789343&st=Shop_Early_TVs&cp=1&lp=3
The picture is great without calibrating it (I'm moving in 2 mo, so I'm not wasting my time on this room). However, the room it's in would be great with a 100" (got to wait for the OLED TV, however).
I was tempted to go LCD, but I went with an emissive display in the end, and am happy for it. I pulled the trigger early because it seemed to me that the "doorbuster" deals were focused mainly on the 32-46" range. I wanted something a little bigger, and this one fit the bill.
NB: BestBuy has a 58" Samsung plasma on clearance, but it's rare. It's only $1299, normally $1800. My local store was out, the next closest one showed one in inventory, but a call there and it was already gone. They can ship (takes 5-7 days), but I took it as a sign that I wasn't supposed to have it (and the kids wanted something to go with the new PS3 and Move right now....)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+50%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9789343.p?id=1218175322173&skuId=9789343&st=Shop_Early_TVs&cp=1&lp=3
The picture is great without calibrating it (I'm moving in 2 mo, so I'm not wasting my time on this room). However, the room it's in would be great with a 100" (got to wait for the OLED TV, however).
I was tempted to go LCD, but I went with an emissive display in the end, and am happy for it. I pulled the trigger early because it seemed to me that the "doorbuster" deals were focused mainly on the 32-46" range. I wanted something a little bigger, and this one fit the bill.
NB: BestBuy has a 58" Samsung plasma on clearance, but it's rare. It's only $1299, normally $1800. My local store was out, the next closest one showed one in inventory, but a call there and it was already gone. They can ship (takes 5-7 days), but I took it as a sign that I wasn't supposed to have it (and the kids wanted something to go with the new PS3 and Move right now....)
I was bitching about calibrating it, but I noticed you are moving, so, it doesn't really matter.
Cheers,
Kennith
Cheers,
Kennith
Kennith, what is your view on this one http://www.vizio.com/led-lcd-hdtvs/xvt423sv.html
My wife wants this one for some reason, I have also heard good things about Panasonic. We still have an old 27" tube downstairs and it works perfect. I keep threatening my wife that I'm gonna bring it upstairs and put it in the living room, :smilelol:
My wife wants this one for some reason, I have also heard good things about Panasonic. We still have an old 27" tube downstairs and it works perfect. I keep threatening my wife that I'm gonna bring it upstairs and put it in the living room, :smilelol:
I ended up getting the Philips 47PFL5704D. I got it this morning so it's still in the box in my truck. It was the last one they had at the $698 price, some sort of "special buy" and is supposedly a pretty nice TV. I'm sure I'll be happy with it for a couple years until i move into a bigger house and it gets replaced with newer technology.
so i get in my truck at lunch and notice on the box for the tv it says to keep upright. I read about it and i guess its some big deal to lay a lcd tv down to transport. The guy at the store put it in my truck at 7am and i drove to work, no it's 4pm and its still on its face in my back seat. is this thing going to work when i get home at 5pm?
it's fine.no694terry said:
we transport LCD displays facing every which way, it doesn't make any difference.
unless there's a hole in it, then all the Liquid Crystals will leak out.
And the Magic Smoke, that will leak out of a hole, too.
I remember when Panasonic simply rebadged JVC.kennith said:
And Sony was the "One and Only".
But that was for professional video equipment, not consumer electronics.
Personally, I'm fond of NEC as far as LCD displays go.
I have an older NEC 4620 LCD.
Native 1366x768, so it does some math for actual 1920x1080 signals.
Still, watching Directv, with the hyper-compressed signals where you can actually see the quantization error, or an old SD DVD player, or a Wii, it works just fine.
Not really feeling any compulsion to go buy some new shit.
Hell, the other 4 TVs in the house are CRTs.