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Your honor, we find the defendant not guilty!
Your honor, we find the defendant not guilty!
He was lloking for trouble, He got it.
- Thread starter Chris-St Louis
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I wish we still saw real fights(with fists, not guns), none of this crap. I wish we could go back to Mayberry days.. 
1. Parents shouldn't fight their kids' fights.
2. Parents should raise their kids better than to gather in front of someone's home to see a fight (or start one).
3. If you gather in front of someone's home to start/see a fight...you might get what's coming to you.
2. Parents should raise their kids better than to gather in front of someone's home to see a fight (or start one).
3. If you gather in front of someone's home to start/see a fight...you might get what's coming to you.
hahaha sounds like those kids had never seen Dazed and Confused.
I want the video to see how fast the crowd dispersed when fired upon.
I want the video to see how fast the crowd dispersed when fired upon.
Tell you what, you and 10+ friends come to my house throwing rocks, carrying bats looking to do harm to me or a memeber of my family...... You're likely going to find yourself with a few leaks.
x2... especially when the police have failed to protect them (according to the story) 10 times prior.
if you came to my house looking for a fight with 15-20 of your friends, i'd be breaking out the stripper clips.
if you came to my house looking for a fight with 15-20 of your friends, i'd be breaking out the stripper clips.
Not so sure this one will be cut and dry Chris. This will be a jury of peers and likely will not just be dismissed. Do you know this kid (who is admittedly not perfect and has been in trouble at school), did not start the whole thing? Not justifying the groups actions, just throwin ideas out there like you guys are.
Is it really worth killing your childs school companions, even if bullies, this was a continuation of a fight from school. I've seen groups gather around fights at school like this, there are plenty of ways to end a fight and at schools, its still not all that common for them to end in a death by shooting.
Seems like the potential was of a couple of broken windows why did they not dial 911? Likely now she'll be forced from the neighborhood, sue people and the government agencies for the cost of the home and aguish, etc, etc. Is it really worth that and a couple of lives and potentially her own?
Dialing 911 would have at least given you some more grounds to stand on.
These kids may have been looking for a fight, but thats likely about it.
Sure, you never know these days, I'm just saying it'd likely take more than this for me to point to kill my 357 or rifle at a bunch of teenagers. They apparently were already outside in the stream of rocks and papers and chose to shoot rather attempt anything else.
Is it really worth killing your childs school companions, even if bullies, this was a continuation of a fight from school. I've seen groups gather around fights at school like this, there are plenty of ways to end a fight and at schools, its still not all that common for them to end in a death by shooting.
Seems like the potential was of a couple of broken windows why did they not dial 911? Likely now she'll be forced from the neighborhood, sue people and the government agencies for the cost of the home and aguish, etc, etc. Is it really worth that and a couple of lives and potentially her own?
Dialing 911 would have at least given you some more grounds to stand on.
These kids may have been looking for a fight, but thats likely about it.
Sure, you never know these days, I'm just saying it'd likely take more than this for me to point to kill my 357 or rifle at a bunch of teenagers. They apparently were already outside in the stream of rocks and papers and chose to shoot rather attempt anything else.
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They were throwing rocks and using bats..... That sounds like a riotous crowd to me.
Also, that area is a little rough. It is entirely possible some of those kids were packing too...
A warning shot in the air.....If you choose to keep coming..... Good luck with that.
Also, that area is a little rough. It is entirely possible some of those kids were packing too...
A warning shot in the air.....If you choose to keep coming..... Good luck with that.
Just stirring the pot man. Riotous crowd of 12 and 13 year olds packing... now you're making an aweful lot of assumptions.
Might be better to do a warning shot at their feet.
Still, IMO, seems like they will be treading on some pretty thin ice on this one, but you are right, the background of the neighborhood and the "kids" will come into play.
This is why I choose not to live in such neighboorhoods any more.
Might be better to do a warning shot at their feet.
Still, IMO, seems like they will be treading on some pretty thin ice on this one, but you are right, the background of the neighborhood and the "kids" will come into play.
This is why I choose not to live in such neighboorhoods any more.
In that area, 16-18 (The age group in queston) year olds do have guns. And, the police have been called to their house 10 times for similar stuff. Enough is enough.
The kid was looking for trouble.... He choose to go after the kid... He could have went home.
I would have called 911 first though. Indicating that I am going to take defensive action. That would have likely sped up responce.
The kid was looking for trouble.... He choose to go after the kid... He could have went home.
I would have called 911 first though. Indicating that I am going to take defensive action. That would have likely sped up responce.
But the kids had not fired any shots and you have no idea what they had. What if the kid in the home actually started the mess. There are not many knowns from the articles. I think, we are close to the same opinion, though, just not sure that I would have reacted the same.
Whether or not they did the right thing, will likely be decided by a jury. Is that what you would want in this case? Even if you thought that you made the right decision a jury may not see it that way.
Now, like the kids these unfortunate folks will, unfortunately as well, get what they have coming and its now out of their immediate control and in the hands of attorneys and jurys.
Whether or not they did the right thing, will likely be decided by a jury. Is that what you would want in this case? Even if you thought that you made the right decision a jury may not see it that way.
Now, like the kids these unfortunate folks will, unfortunately as well, get what they have coming and its now out of their immediate control and in the hands of attorneys and jurys.
A few years ago, all it would have taken to end a fight, would have been for an adult to step in, and the kids (either 12 or 18 y/o) would have just dispersed instantly, nowadays, there is NO respect, those kids could very easily attack just anybody in their path regardles of age or sex w/o fear for the conscequences, that's just the way more and more kids are growing up to be.
I read a foreign newspaper about a group of about 10 kids (ages 7 to 14) that demanded money from a guy walking down the street, when he refused all of them jumped him with razor blades and knifes. The kids took everything from him, and he had to spend quite some time in the hospital, now, do you think that 10 or 15 teenagers are harmless? trust me, they can be deadly
I read a foreign newspaper about a group of about 10 kids (ages 7 to 14) that demanded money from a guy walking down the street, when he refused all of them jumped him with razor blades and knifes. The kids took everything from him, and he had to spend quite some time in the hospital, now, do you think that 10 or 15 teenagers are harmless? trust me, they can be deadly
bri said:
Read these...Discuss.
http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/10517531/detail.html
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=84237
Again, A group of kids can be, and have been deadly...
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bringing a gun to a fight doesn't automatically mean you can use it. A rock is not normally considered a deadly weapon. To legally claim self defense you'd have to prove you believe your life is in jepardy. It's actually in the prosecution's favor that there's video of the incident. They can prove no one threatened them with grievous harm (no one drew a deadly weapon). Without a video, it could be claimed by the defense one of the kids standing next to the deceased brandished a weapon, you just happened to be a lowsy shot and hit someone else. (though you still could be charged with neglegent homicide)
I blame political correctness. Obviously the parents don't want to raise their kids right and the schools and courts are prevented from applying proper motivation to get these kids in line. I've been to grade schools and middle schools with the DARE program. These little shits sass their teachers, the cops and anyone in authority. I'm glad my g/f is working hard to teach her children to respect people and property. I just hope they don't get involved with bad seeds at school.
I blame political correctness. Obviously the parents don't want to raise their kids right and the schools and courts are prevented from applying proper motivation to get these kids in line. I've been to grade schools and middle schools with the DARE program. These little shits sass their teachers, the cops and anyone in authority. I'm glad my g/f is working hard to teach her children to respect people and property. I just hope they don't get involved with bad seeds at school.
I agree with you.az_max said:
A bunch of kids could be deadly even with only their bare hands.
I would fear for my life if threatened by a bunch of teens. Have you seen how big some of this kids get?