Hello out there! newbie here

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blur212

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just wanted to say hello. will be getting a 04 discovery next week. it will be my first land rover and i'm really excited. message boards have always provided me with a lot of information and just wondering if there any other good boards out there.

i'll post some pictures of the car when it arrives.
 

rmuller

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Welcome to the LR Family!

If you haven't ordered it yet, and plan of offroading in it.. just a couple suggestions: Don't get running boards -- They bend and break offroading
Brushguard -- If you get really into offroading, you'll want to get a winch bumper, so a brushguard isn't neccessary.
Roof rack -- Great thing to have, but LR charges 1500 or so for it.. better waiting and trying to find a used one.. but thats generally pretty hard to do.

Extended Warranty - Opt for it as soon as possible, A) it's cheaper in the beginning, B) I believe you can sell it back if you don't want it anymore [sell truck at 25k and don't care enough to transfer the warranty to the next owner]

Well with that being said.. enjoy!
 

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If you plan on modifying it, i wouldn't bother with the extended warranty, chances are, they wont even honor their originar warranty if you actually enjoy it for what it was meant for. What are your plans for it? Mine '00 stayed stock for about a week.
 
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rmuller

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Rick --

Depends on modifications and dealer from what I understand.. I mean, I haven't done all too much with my truck yet, but they had no problem with after market bumper, and from what I've read, they wont have a problem with a mild OME setup since they offer HD springs from the factory. But then again, it really does depend on the dealer.. you can go through here and read horror stories of peoples dealership experiences.. My dealer sells Southdown under-armor there, so they are pretty cool :)

Also, isn't it a law [posted here a few times], that a manufacturer must honor the warranty regardless of aftermarket modifications unless they can prove that the aftermarket modification caused the problem. I found the law that applied to it, and its below:

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))

This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:

No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).
 

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rmuller said:
Rick --

Depends on modifications and dealer from what I understand.. I mean, I haven't done all too much with my truck yet, but they had no problem with after market bumper, and from what I've read, they wont have a problem with a mild OME setup since they offer HD springs from the factory. But then again, it really does depend on the dealer.. you can go through here and read horror stories of peoples dealership experiences.. My dealer sells Southdown under-armor there, so they are pretty cool :)

Also, isn't it a law [posted here a few times], that a manufacturer must honor the warranty regardless of aftermarket modifications unless they can prove that the aftermarket modification caused the problem. I found the law that applied to it, and its below:

yup, its a law. but you have to prove that it was an LR defect. my truck was put on warrantly hold so all warranty claims had to be reviewed by a regional rep. I had a probelm when my truck would not stop, and instead ACCELERATED into another LR at the dealership. they blamed everything from my moms sandels (she was picking it up for me) to mud on the throttle cable. Also, some mods may make and defect in your truck blow up, so even though it was a defect, your mod made it known, so its your fault.

also lifts are not looked well upon by the dealer.
 
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thanks for the welcome and advice. i was wondering which mods people usual start with? i've always wanted a discovery for that exact reason. also i wanted to look into offroading and wanted to know where to start or any clubs etc. i'm around central / north new jersey.

really excited for the disco. i test drove a lr3 and it was really nice but didn't have that appeal that the disco has had for me. plus i got it for almost 20k less than what lr3 would cost.

thanks again.

rob
 

rmuller

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rob, where in NJ you from? I'm in Caldwell.. LostInBoston is also from NJ [when he's not partying up at college in Boston].. so are a couple other guys in here.. The only real place to go around here is down at the Pine Barrens, Exit 7 off of the NJ Turnpike.

As for what mods to start with.. I'll repost a post that Ranger_Ivan made in this thread that is pretty good..

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Rover Upgrades

Here is a take on how to trick out your Land Rover from a outfit called
"Excape Expeditions".

(Listed in order. Scale: 5 = being very good, 1 = totally useless)

Recovery Points 5
At some point you are going to get temporarily delayed on a trail (we don't get stuck, do we!). In most cases, the easiest way out is to get a buddy behind you to attach a tow strap and gently pull you back. You will need a block that fits into the tow hitch receiver, with a rated d-shackle attached. DO NOT use a standard trailer receiver hitch with ball. Obtain a high-quality rated product from a company such as Warn or ARB. Ensure any additional shackles are appropriately rated also. For front recovery points, the best route are jate rings that attach directly to the frame. Military spec jate rings are used for lifting a vehicle by helicopter or loading crane, so are very strong. If you go the bumper/bull bar route these rings may not be accessible, so ensure the bumper is of strong construction and has two solid recovery points. The best route here is to purchase two Dixon Bates 3.5 ton tow jaws. Why two? - it spreads the load/stress and helps avoid twisting the chassis in extreme cases. Never use the welded-on/bolted-on loops attached to the frame on the front or rear of your
4X4 car. These are tie-down points only.

CB Radio 5
This is the first piece of equipment anyone participating in an off road trip should invest in. Communicating with other vehicles is absolutely essential.

Auxilliary Fuel 5
Essential for most long distance trips into more remote regions. You may be aware of a gas station ahead, but they may have run out of fuel, or be closed for a family emergency - it happens. If you have a Land Rover Defender 110 then auxilliary fuel tanks can easily be added. For most of us, two to four 20 ltr jerry cans are the best way to. The only type you should be looking at are the genuine steel NATO ones. Forget the screw-top style or plastic (they leak). NATO cans are very tough, and have a very good locking cap that does not leak if the replaceable rubber seal is in good condition. You attach a flexible metal nozzle when
filling the tank. Two or three cans full of fuel are very heavy (20kg per can), and should ideally be stored inside the vehicle, preferably just behind the front seats on the floor. Make sure they are secured well with a strap. If the rubber seal is good, they will not make the inside of the vehicle smell of fuel. Be aware when opening the cans, as pressure builds up inside and can cause fuel to explode out into your face in extreme cases.

Compressor 5
An electric compressor on-board (or manual pump) is essential for re-inflating tyres after driving on soft terrain such as sand, where a wider footprint is essential for traction. If you run at 1 kg, then head back onto a road where 2,5 kg is required, what do you do? There are a variety of portable compressors on the market.

HiLift Jack 4
With chains and shackles, this multi-purpose piece of equipment can be used as a manual winch to pull, or will lift the vehicle out of rutts when hi-centred. To fully benefit from this equipment for jacking, you will need a strong flat point on the front, rear, and even side (sliders) of the vehicle from which to lift without the risk of slipping. A large solid platform (1" pressure-treated plank, 10"x10" or similiar) is needed for soft ground, so the jack doesn't sink! Be warned, if used carelessly this equipment can seriously injure or kill.

Tyres 4
The type of tyre you use depends on the terrain you will be driving - to a degree. Many owners end up with two sets of wheels/tyres eventually. One set
for general use, winter driving etc; and another set for off-road use in areas of mud and rough terrain. There is no one tyre that is best, but by and large BFG Mud-Terrains or All-Terrains seem to be favoured the most. The aggresive treads handle mud exceptionally well, and the reinforced sidewalls are more durable on rough terrain and less prone to damage. A small drawback using these tyres on road is increased road noise and treadwear, and less traction. Be very cautious of putting large tyres on your vehicle. Anything over 31 inches (Discovery/RR/Patrol/Landcruiser) and 33 inches (Landrover 90/110 and older Landcruisers) is totally un-necessary and will contribute to significant bodyroll on-road, alter gearing, and increase the potential to damage axels and drivetrains. They affect torque loading on the transmission, which increases fatigue. The vehicles were designed for specific tyre sizes for a reason, and will be more than capable for everything but suicidle missions, and even then a stock 90 can surprise you!

Lights 4
Auxilliary driving lights are very useful. On challenging trails time just flies by, and before you know it, it's dark and you need to illuminate the trail to avoid veering off course. Don't be too influenced by the vehicles you see with rows of lights on both rack and bumper -- they are not necessary. Infact, too many lights and you need to upgrade that alternator and battery to cope with all the power being sapped. A good powerful (100-120w) pair either on the rack or bumper will suffice. Alternatively (or in addition too), you can upgrade your headlights with equal effect. A rear worklamp is a worthwhile investment too. Hooked up to the reverse lights, it will help you avoid denting your rear panels when reversing on a tight trail in the dark. Also great to illuminate the rear of the vehicle when camping or searching for equipment. Look for IPF or PIAA for front, Hella worklamp for rear. Alternatively, farm equipment stores sell tractor lights for a fraction of the cost of fancy-packaged "SUV/truck" lights.

Differential Guards 4
It's a good idea to protect the lowest hanging part of the underbody, the diffs are the first thing that you usually hit on a rough trail. Be sure to buy heavy-duty galvanized guards. The best kind come from UK companies such as Mantec or Southdown. Of course, slowing down and taking care where you position your vehicle over obstacles is the best remedy!

Skid Plate (Steering Guard) 4
It's the easiest thing to happen upon a hidden rock in mud, and hit the steering/track rods, but a good thick aluminum plate of at least 8mm will help avoid the damage.

GPS Navigation 4
During Excape expeditions in rural areas a GPS (Global Positioning System) is very handsome. However this require that you have maps or other reference
documentation.

Rock Sliders/Side Sills 3
Useful for rocky trails for Discovery, Defender 110, Range Rover, and provide a good point for a hi-lift jack. If you do get them, be sure to get galvanized ones, even if they have been painted or powder-coated. You might face problems to fit heavy-duty sliders on newer Japanees 4X4 cars since these are lacking good mounting points.

Roofrack 3
Looks great on the vehicle - makes it look like a real "safari expedition" vehicle! If you have a short wheelbase vehicle such as a Landrover Defender
90, Nissan Patrol etc. and you plan a long distance trip, then a rack is a great idea, as internal storage space can be used up quickly. For a Discovery or Range Rover, for the type of trips Excape run each year (1-5 weeks), a rack is not absolutely necessary. Both vehicles have plenty of internal storage space, being greatly increased by removing the rear seats. For all vehicle models, the rule is; if you have to store equipment externally, make sure it is light stuff such as clothes and foam mats, sleeping bags etc. The sides of racks make a good home for shovels and aluminium sand ladders. Heavy equipment should be stored inside, as low to the ground and secure as possible, with weight evenly distributed between both axles. The big mistake is storing jerry cans on the roofrack. This can be OK for driving on flat roads, but on rougher trails that are off-camber, you dramatically increase the risk of rolling the vehicle over through
increasing (and often off-centering) your centre of gravity. Racks increase wind noise and decrease fuel efficiency. They are great if you have a rooftop tent or need a camera platform, or a place to mount some lights and attach limb-risers. Bolt-together steel plastic coated racks will rust quickly, and work loose in time. Hi-lift and jerry can mounts appear useful, but beware! Keep total weight to less than 120 kg, the rack might take it but the vehicle windscreen pillars may not.

Locking Differentials 3
This is a topic for a lengthy discussion (for another time) as there are a variey of lockers on the market. Lockers are not essential, and for many types of terrain can get you into even more trouble. They are amazing for situations where the ground is relatively solid and you are cross-axled or for steep climbing on rocky uneven terrain. If used incorrectly you will break a half-shaft. On newer Land Rover Defenders the electronic anti-spin brakes works really good.

Snorkles 2
Unless you plan to do a lot of driving in very sandy/dusty conditions, they are not really essential if you have a petrol engine. Modern vehicles run on
fragile and temperamental computer chips that live under the bonnet/hood. A snorkle may keep water out of the engine air-intake, but the electronics
will still probably get wet and stop the vehicle dead if you wade too deep. They become effective on a V8 when you re-locate the computer to inside the
vehicle (e.g. glovebox), but this requires specialist knowledge, or great expense. Diesels with snorkles can be converted into submarines! One way to
prevent the electronics be drawn in water is to dip the fragile computer box(es) in hot wax that will keep water outside the components.

Brush Bars 2
Again - they look great - but many serve no other purpose than looks alone, and just add extra weight. They provide a useful place to mount a set of spot lights, and attach limb risers to if you have a roofrack. The full wrap around Land Rover bars available from dealerships for Discos and Range Rovers in particular serve very little use and are expensive. If you hit a tree on a trail, more damage can be caused to the vehicle than without one! The A-frame style bar is the better way to go if light-mounting is the reason for consideration. For Defenders, the best type is something like the very strong Camel Trophy Mantec bar that bolts onto the existing bumper. All-in-one bumper/bull bars such as the ARB product are available for all vehicle models, but you will sacrifice approach angle and they are very heavy (require upgraded front suspension). ARB in particular are of very strong construction, mounting directly to the frame. Winch-mounting versions are also worth looking at, but ensure you can easily view/access the winch drum as the cable spools in, otherwise the cable could get damaged or worse. One misconception is that bumper/brush-bars provide a front recovery point. Check carefully that any points are strong enough. ARB, for instance, have two rings that are fine for light recovery using the two combined when pulling at 90 degrees to the bumper. Using just one point, or pulling at an
angle, will bend something or even injure someone.

Winches 2
Electric winches are over-rated as a recovery tool and not completely necessary. They are very heavy, and require that you uprate your front springs. You may also need to uprate your alternator and battery set-up, as they are very power hungry (a typical 3 ton winch draws around 400amps). They can only be used for a minute or so at a time as they overheat easily. Not every kind of terrain provides you with a point in which to easily attach the cable. In most situations there are other means of getting you unstuck. On the otherhand, for light to medium intermittent work they are quick and easy to use, although require attention to safety. Constant heavy duty work requires a hydraulic winch option. Care should be taken with cable maintenance.

Limb Risers 2
Useful if you trail ride through trees and scrub. The taught wire helps deflect branches from scratching you wings and bonnet. No need to pay WAY over the odds for aftermarket kits, they are easy to make after a visit to your local hardware store. Please, be aware that these lines can cause damage to trees and bushes. At all times, respect Excape Code of Conduct - No Trace!

Catalytic Converter Guards 1
Not so necessary, and can cause vehicle fires as dry tinder gets trapped ontop of the plate and is ignited by the very hot cat pipes just above. If you have a stock vehicle and are considering a trip, the bottom line is buy a CB radio, a couple of jerry cans, and have a rear recovery point on your truck.

Enjoy.
 

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That was along post, so ill post something else that may help you if you dont have a week free to read all that.

when modifying/building anything, you MUST have a final idea in mind. thangs can change along the way, but itll save you a lot of time/money/blood/sweat and tears if you do it all at once. Jersey is muddy, so i reccoment some MT's or AT's if also doing a lot of highway driving, but MT's should really be the bare minimum in the pineys after a good rain. 265/75/16 with a 2" lift is great but i love 33's which require a bit mroe work. Winch bumper and recovery points also a must. protection is a must. Do some research as to what you want. mild to extreme, its all on here ad everyone has a reason why their setup is the best.
 

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Wecome to the desease of LR mods.
Frist wheel it stock so can to learn what
it can do.

I had an 03 SE DII,but the exteras don't last off road.
I have an 04 S DII.
center diff lock is Great.

Mods:
265/75/16 cooper discoverer S/T
Very good in mud for ATs
2" OME lift needed for the bigger tires
ARB front bumper W/warn winch
Amsteel Blue winch line
Advencher roof rack used.
Land Rover Hummer Recovery vehicle tire cover

More to come I'm sick with the desease. :D
 
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Rob,

Welcome, it is always nice to see another Rover guy from Jersey who isnt just interested in going to the mall. Hope to see you out on the trails soon.

Jeff