Homeland Security or Gestapo?

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned."

The nine-page document was sent to police and sheriff's departments across the United States on April 7 under the headline, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."

It says the federal government "will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months" to gather information on "rightwing extremist activity in the United States."

The joint federal-state activities will have "a particular emphasis" on the causes of "rightwing extremist radicalization."

Homeland Security spokeswoman Sara Kuban said the report is one in an ongoing series of assessments by the department to "facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the U.S."

The report, which was first disclosed to the public by nationally syndicated radio host Roger Hedgecock, makes clear that the Homeland Security Department does not have "specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence."It warns that fringe organizations are gaining recruits, but it provides no numbers.

The report says extremist groups have used President Obama as a recruiting tool.

"Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president, but stopping short of calls for violent action," the report says. "In two instances in the run-up to the election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded."

When asked about this passage, Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said, "We are concerned about anybody who will try to harm or plan to harm any one of our protectees. We don't have the luxury to focus on one particular group at the exclusion of others."

Congressional debates about immigration and gun control also make extremist groups suspicious and give them a rallying cry, the report says.

"It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun control legislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, and paramilitary training activities among rightwing extremists," the report said.

The FBI was quoted Monday as saying that, since November, more than 7 million people have applied for criminal background checks in order to buy weapons.

The Homeland Security report added: "Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point, and recruiting tool."

The report could signify a change in emphasis for Homeland Security under former Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. A German magazine quoted Ms. Napolitano as rebranding "terrorism" as "man-made disasters." Since its inception in 2003, the department has focused primarily on radicalization of Muslims and the prospect of homegrown Islamist terrorism.

Ms. Kuban said, however, that the department had published reports on left-wing radicalization as well, though she could not name one.

"These types of reports are published all the time. There have actually been some done on the other end of the spectrum, left-wing," Ms. Kuban said.

A similar headline was used in a report issued in January, Ms. Kuban said, although she could not provide the content of the headline.

Ms. Kuban said she did not know how long the new report had been in the making.

"The purpose of the report is to identify risk. This is nothing unusual," said Ms. Kuban, who added that the Homeland Security Department did this "to prevent another Tim McVeigh from ever happening again."

The Homeland Security assessment specifically says that "rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat."

Jerry Newberry, director of communications for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, said the vast majority of veterans are patriotic citizens who would not join anti-government militias.

"As far as our military members go, I think that the military is a melting pot of society. So you might get a few, a fractional few, who are going to be attracted by militia groups and other right-wing extremists," he said.

"We have to remember that the people serving in our military are volunteers, they do it because they love their country, and they believe in what our country stands for," he said. "They spent their time in the military defending our Constitution, so the vast majority of them would be repulsed by the hate groups discussed in this report."

The Homeland Security report cited a 2008 FBI report that noted that a small number of returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.

The FBI report said that from October 2001 through May 2008 "a minuscule" number of veterans, 203 out of 23,000, had joined groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, the National Socialist Movement, the Creativity Movement, the National Alliance and some skinhead groups.

"Although the white supremacist movement is of concern to the FBI, our assessment shows that only a very small number of people with prior military experience may have an affiliation with supremacist groups," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said Monday when asked about the FBI report.

A 2006 report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that monitors white supremacists like the Klan, said that white-power groups had an interest in the kind of training the military provides.

Mark Potok, director of the center's intelligence project, said the Homeland Security report "confirms that white supremacists are interested in the military. There is some concern, and there should be, about returning veterans, one need only think of the example of Timothy McVeigh, who was in the first Iraq war."

Mr. Potok added that he was generally pleased with the report.

"Basically, the report tracks fairly closely with what we have been saying for some time now. They mention us a couple of times, though not by name," he said.
 

MarkP

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... also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority ...​

Would "extremist activity" include state Governors and Legislators?
 

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In the event that the people are too blind to see it, this is just another attempt at setting laws in place to allow True American Patriots to be considered "terrorists" for the purpose of forwarding an agenda of total control over the population.

For some reason, excessive optimisim or ignorance makes people think that voting in another "party" will make a difference, when they either do not, or will not except the fact that both "parties" serve the same master . . .

This has been nearly 100 years in the making . . . but people can't see beyond 4 year terms . . .

Sorry if you may find a spelling error, but spell check is not functioning . . .
 

cptyarderho

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LRWheelman said:
In the event that the people are too blind to see it, this is just another attempt at ...

Seems both sides use this argument so often, the whole "the rest of you cannot see what I can" mentality. Sounds like the same fear mongering I heard about Cheney/Haliburton and how they were taking over. 2009, Haliburton not much of an issue. I just do not buy the whole conspiracy argument in a country where media is a business. The same people pop up in these threads, or is it me?

Next step will be to brand me a screaming liberal, or something even more sinister and interesting.:patriot: I am convinced that have the internet is devoted to people preaching to their end of the spectrum or to themselves.

FWIW the far lefties are just as bad. "corporations run the whole world, blah blah blah."

Or is it just me having a rainy crappy Tuesday while finishing my taxes?
 

LRWheelman

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Or is it just me having a rainy crappy Tuesday while finishing my taxes?


No, it's just you . . . I think pretty much everyone sees this type of legislation for what it is . . . Do you REALLY THINK that we needed a Dept. of Homeland Security after 9/11? Do you see the Patriot Act as a "good thing" for America? Do you think that our government leaders have any concern for your "best interests"?

I suppose that you think you know where your tax dollars go. . . How much did our government give to opuim growers last year ??? Where did the road & bridge dollars go in the mid-nineties ??? Where are the billions or trillions that were reported missing from the books at the Pentagon on or about 9/10/01 ???

Many people live in a dream world because they are too busy living life to stop & smell the bullshit . . . I took 6 months off last year to spend time with my sons before they went away to college . . . in that space of time my sense of smell grew more alert.
 

LRWheelman

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Wasn't it one of Ron Paul's workers who was detained at the airport because he had cash and Ron Paul stickers, and therefore he fit the profile?


How long before cash becomes illegal ???
 

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Here is the problem I have with this thing.

Yes, there are "right wing" extremists out there who are stupid and who may be stupid enough to try stupid things. Some of them are in the Klan. Some of them don't like Obama. Some of them (apparently 230 of them, to be exact) came from the military. This is something everyone has always been aware of.

So the problem I have with this is that it is coming from the top, it has action orders attached to it, and it is COMPLETELY THEORETICAL. Which means the door is open for it to morph into anything.

According to this document, there is no evidence that these groups pose a threat, yet action must be taken. There is no evidence that a growing Klan is on the horizon, yet action must be taken. There is no evidence that more than 230 disgruntled soldiers have joined any dangerous groups, yet action must be taken.

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Why did Hitler stage the burning of the Reichstag? (sp?)
Why did this document surface this week?
Are you going to any of the Tea Party gatherings tomorrow?
Be careful.
 
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cptyarderho

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LRWheelman said:
I suppose that you think you know where your tax dollars go. . . How much did our government give to opuim growers last year ??? Where did the road & bridge dollars go in the mid-nineties ??? Where are the billions or trillions that were reported missing from the books at the Pentagon on or about 9/10/01 ???

Many people live in a dream world because they are too busy living life to stop & smell the bullshit . . . I took 6 months off last year to spend time with my sons before they went away to college . . . in that space of time my sense of smell grew more alert.

As i expected, my post labels me in all kinds of ways because you have it all figured out. Please run for president, kthanxbye.
 

emmodg

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Orwell was wrong!

Big brother isn't watching you! We're watching big brother!
 

LRWheelman

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As i expected, my post labels me in all kinds of ways because you have it all figured out. Please run for president, kthanxbye . . .

I have "labled" you nothing, you choose to label yourself . . . If I had it "all" figured out, I would lead a Revolution against it, because "this" is not America . . . not the "Amerca" I was born in anyway . . .

I do admire your optimism, though . . . it reminds me of when I ws young.
 
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LRWheelman

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According to this document, there is no evidence that these groups pose a threat, yet action must be taken. There is no evidence that a growing Klan is on the horizon, yet action must be taken. There is no evidence that more than 230 disgruntled soldiers have joined any dangerous groups, yet action must be taken.

They no longer need a "threat" to take "action" . . . although a "threat" makes it more palatable to the "rest" of America . . . What "they" really should do is protect our borders and tax offshore incomes, you know, their "Constitutional" requirements that they have failed so sorely . . .

The Dept. of Homeland Security is nothing more than a money-funnel into Washingtons pockets . . . a "bonus" for not doing the "task" originally given to them by the Constitution . . . and the "Patriot Act" is just that, an "act" to destroy "Patriots", who now are labled "Terrorists" because they don't "conform peacefully" . . .
 

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So now they don't like the 10th amendment either:

"but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority"