Is the Border to Border dead?

[Busted_D1]

Every few weeks I go to the B2B website just to see if there is any new info, (I've been doing this for almost three years) sadly it appears that the online poker spamers have taken over the board.

Does anyone know if they are ever coming back? I think it would be a damn shame to let this organization fade away. I would even be interested in resurrecting it or at least being a part of the process.

If anyone here is member or has any info, I'd love to hear what's in the future for this group.

 

[atrento]

looked just fine to me when i went to the site.

 

[dormobiledisco]

There's this BBS post from a few years ago (almost all the posts are from poker sites this month...just a few real ones at the bottom).

http://www.bordertoborder.com/b2b/get.asp?M=323&P=0&T=323&F=0

Posted in August 04 that they'd take a "year or two sabbatical." Two years from then is this August (2006), so who knows?

I always liked reading about their trips...maybe by the time they come back, I can go one one...

 

[Busted_D1]

The website has always been up but they haven't updated in years. I wonder if they are ever going to get the expedtions going again?

 

[Busted_D1]

I always liked reading about their trips...maybe by the time they come back, I can go one one...

I've been waiting since 2003! I have even been able to get the wife to commit to being my co-driver. I want to do this before we have kids.... and my time is running out. TIC TOC TIC TOC

 

[Glenn_Guinto]

Hey guys, I got lucky enough to participate in the last B2B outing in 2003. It was a small group back then, 12 or 13 trucks and was well organized. It was a great group of people and I enjoyed every minute of our trek. Definitely worth the cross country drive from NJ to CO. I just learned from the other members of B2B that Simon Burns, the owner and operator of the site has fell off the face of the earth. I haven't met him, but from what I understand, he organized the 2002 trek and that trip (bigger than our 03 group) was not well organized and the people were not happy...hence the formation of...

Rover Owners eXpedition Society (www.roxs.us) which was formed by past B2B participants and were quite active for awhile but I haven't seen any activity for awhile from them either. A few of them post in this website as well. Their trips are more technical than your average B2B trek.

 

[vabiro]

Hi,

I did a trip last winter to the arctic with a few of the people involved with B2B.

My understanding was that the the primary mover in the group was extremely ill. As a result, the group has halted operations. The original plan was that this was going to be temporary.

There are some other groups doing similar things. The Land Rover Adventure Association did a trip to Tuktoyaktuk last February, and this year they are going to James Bay.

The trip last year was outstanding! Much better than we had hoped.

Another group is Rover Owners eXpedition Society. They are planning something for September.

B2B's site is one of the places that turned me on to Land Rovers, and it is sad to see them fade away, but there are a few groups that have picked up the torch.

Cheers
Victor

 

[Busted_D1]

Hey guys, I got lucky enough to participate in the last B2B outing in 2003.

Does your rig still wear your B2B number?

That's too bad about Simon. Sad to hear of the illness. I wonder if he's looking for someone to "aquire" what remains of the group. I would love to breath life back into it if he unable to do so himself.

 

[vabiro]

Does your rig still wear your B2B number?

That's too bad about Simon. Sad to hear of the illness. I wonder if he's looking for someone to "aquire" what remains of the group. I would love to breath life back into it if he unable to do so himself.

Just to be clear, it is not Simon that is ill. I know him and I beleive that he has just been extraordinarily busy at his work.

The fellow that is ill was from out west some place if I recall. Maybe BC. It wasn't Mike Findlay. He and his brother were on the trip to Tuk.

Victor

 

[Busted_D1]

Well that's good to hear, I had read some of Simon's posts over the years.

I much like Dormobliedisco, owe B2B for much of my LR obsession. I would just hate to see it fade away due to an unfortunate illness. I wish there was something that could be done.

 

[Glenn_Guinto]

Does your rig still wear your B2B number?

Yes, I still do (what a dork I am ) Here's one of the pics from the B2B trip. More in my website.

And another one on top of the Continental Divide.

And Victor is right, it's not Simon who's ill, it's someone else, I forget who. If you look in the archives of the B2B posts, you'll see it there. A lot of the 2003 participants were close friends with the guy that is ill.

Victor, I saw that Tuk trek that you guys did. What a trip! Actually, these long range expedition types are my kind of LR trips. Very cool!

 

[Busted_D1]

Yes, I still do (what a dork I am )

I don't think you're a dork at all. I do belive that "#88" was one of the rigs I saved on my machine when I was gathering pics of Discos I thought looked kick ass!

I still think it looks like a badge of honor and accomplishment!

 

[Mongo]

I'm one of the B2B guys that formed the ROXS thing, still going strong...the 2005 trip was a blast. The site is being worked on as time permits...If interested, drop a email to

info@roxs.us and we'll get back to you.

As for B2B, hopefully everyones' well...


Mongo
aka frank...aka roxs76

 

[dkatzen]

The B2B member that fell ill is Arden Leung. You can read about him at:

http://www.delta-optimist.com/issues03/092103/community/092103co2.html

There are a few of the past B2B members that belong to a Yahoo! group "goanywhere." This group was organized as a way for past B2B members to stay in touch in case the "official" B2B site goes down. Some of the members on this list have planned their own expeditions sans B2B the past couple of years.

I participated in B2B 2002 (#75), and I'm still waiting for the video that was promised to all participants. It was a great trip, and very well organized in my opinion. Every day someone new had to lead the group of 30+ trucks, and this included both experienced and novice drivers. Sometimes we got lost, stuck, broke down, and separated...but that's all part of the adventure. About half of the group did the hotel thing while the other half camped and cooked by campfire; but in the end, we all ended up at the Prince of Wales hotel in Alberta after starting about three weeks earlier at the Mexican border. It wasn't a guided tour. The organizers had planned a general off-road route from Mexico to Canada, but not all of the trails on the maps existed in real life...so we found alternate routes. I still don't remember if we were supposed to turn right or left at the tow-strap/paint can markers as we tried to find our way out of the desert, but we somehow made it out anyway.

I also participated in ROXS 2003 and 2004, and this is a great group of people that love to experience the Rover adventure lifestyle for all that it entails. I couldn't make the ROXS 2005 trip, but I'm already preparing my Rover and stocking up for ROXS 2006.

Best of luck in finding your own adventure,

Dan Katzenberger
2001 Disco II SE7

 

[D90D110]

I am looking to revive B2B and or ROXS or create a new group. Who are the past members of these groups?

 

[Mongo]

Was part of B2B and one of the founders of ROXS…

take the time to create your own, seems to be a lot of "plagiarism" of what has been done in the past lately. It's not rocket science

 

[chris snell]

Was B2B the race across Nevada?

 

[Mongo]

B2B: Glam camping before over landing was cool…
ROXS: spending time with great friends drinking beer in places where you gotta be questioning why the fuck are we doing this in leaking old land land rovers

 

[Axel]

Was part of B2B and one of the founders of ROXS…

take the time to create your own, seems to be a lot of "plagiarism" of what has been done in the past lately. It's not rocket science

Most of these groups, including local clubs follow the same pattern. A couple of well intended guys want to start something, come up with a fancy name and create a website where they talk about the trips and/or outings they want to do. A few more people hear about this, thinks it sounds great and join the group. The founders and maybe 2-3 of the joiners organize a trip and a few outings, and everything is hunky-dory.

After a year or three, the founders run out of event ideas, things change in their lives and they get tired of all the extra work involved in running a "club". Nobody else steps up and take over, and the "club" dies.

Been there, done that. Clubs are for baby seals.

The groups that typically survive are the ones where a few people who really know each other and get along well, informally organize their trips. These groups usually operate under the radar, don't bother with forming an "official" club, and are somewhat restrictive with who gets to join. New "members" are usually recommended and invited by someone already in the group.

 

[fishEH]

Having been there, done that, and left with a bunch of extra T-shirts I can say that's pretty spot on.

Most of these groups, including local clubs follow the same pattern. A couple of well intended guys want to start something, come up with a fancy name and create a website where they talk about the trips and/or outings they want to do. A few more people hear about this, thinks it sounds great and join the group. The founders and maybe 2-3 of the joiners organize a trip and a few outings, and everything is hunky-dory.

After a year or three, the founders run out of event ideas, things change in their lives and they get tired of all the extra work involved in running a "club". Nobody else steps up and take over, and the "club" dies.

Been there, done that. Clubs are for baby seals.

The groups that typically survive are the ones where a few people who really know each other and get along well, informally organize their trips. These groups usually operate under the radar, don't bother with forming an "official" club, and are somewhat restrictive with who gets to join. New "members" are usually recommended and invited by someone already in the group.