kitchen Knife sharping

mjbrox

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Kennith, I have no doubt you will have an entire dissertation on this subject

I have one of these
http://www.knivesplus.com/lanskyknifesharpener-lk-lcspr.html

I uses it every month or two, which is not not enough since my wife cooks pretty much every meal we eat.

I cant seem to get the knives very sharp.

I am looking for a solution that is

A) very easy to do
B) Gets the knives very sharp.


We have two kids, jobs, etc so i dont want some process that takes 10 mins a knife (Kennith)


anyway, what do you guys use?
 

Mike_Rupp

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I use the Edge Pro to put a new edge on the knife. This process will take about 20 minutes or so per knife. Once the edge is established, you only have to use the fine grit stone and it takes about 5 minutes per knife. Then in between sharpenings I use a ceramic sharpener. It's like a straightening steel, but it will lightly sharpen as well.
 

kennith

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Well, if you don't want to really work them, Mike has the right idea.

An Edge Pro system would certainly be the easiest choice to produce great results and, lucky for you, we all know some guys that sell it.:rofl:

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/edgepro/

If you don't want to spend too much time maintaining a blade, but still want a proper bevel, this is the way to have your cake and eat it too.

Here's something she needs to learn her way around:

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Use one properly, and your blades will remain effective for longer periods of time. Many people aren't quite versed on it's operation, or even what it actually does. This device is meant to align the very edge of the blade. It's not meant for material removal. It should not "hone".

I would caution against ceramic rods, as material will indeed be removed, and you'll likely end up with a tiny tertiary bevel that could spoil your profile. Worse, you could radically alter the grind over enough time.

I personally maintain all my blades by hand (stones and oil), but proper steel usage and an Edge Pro system will keep your wife cutting happily with minimum effort.

You'll also need to look into your cutting surfaces. Some are more abusive than others. It's important to use the more forgiving surfaces as often as possible. NEVER use glass, metal, or rock of any kind.

There's also the issue of knives themselves. You don't need as many as most people think. The fewer you have, the less maintenance time will be required. If you've already got twenty knives in the block, you've given yourself 1,549,872.75 times more problems than you've solved.

Fewer, better knives are the ticket for long-term performance.

I use Kai/Kershaw Shun blades. I have:

1: Bread Knife

2: 7" Santoku

3: 3" Paring

4: 6" Utility

That's all you need. I can perform any kitchen task with those knives. The bread knife isn't strictly required (and I'm breaking my own rules by owning one), but they sure are nice. I do use it a lot.

Essentially, a cook with a kitchen needs only three knives. Many only use two.

You'll clean up your counter, you won't have knives sitting in drawers, there will be less to clean at the end of the day, and your skills will improve.

NEVER put your knives in a dishwasher. That little note wasn't put in the knife's box as a joke. The mean it. Dishwashers destroy knives. They will dull a blade faster than you can use it.

I hate washing dishes, mind you. I despise it, but even I can wipe off three knives before I sit down to eat.

I can get into a lot more here, but I suspect you've got the information you were after.:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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What Kennith said - especially about the quantity of knives and the simple sharpening tool. I have a great 8" knife, but I'd rather have a 7".
 

kennith

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I'd rather have a 7".

Careful. Dan might be watching... You know how sensitive he is.

I thought for quite some time over the size of the Santoku. In the end, I decided a seven inch blade would be an ideal combination of edge length and maneuverability.

I've been happy with the choice.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

RKORES

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Warthog Sharpener

This does the trick for me...I use mine all the time to sharpen my knives that I use for cutting Dyneema rope. Once you set it up for a certain blade, you can sharpen your knife in 30 seconds to a minute and have it razor sharp. It is not the best for show knives, because it can lightly scratch the sides of the knife. But for "working" knives it is great. I would also order the 600 grit rods to get a finer edge for slicing delicate stuff. It is definitely not the cheapest, but it is durable, and once set the sharpening angle is correct and even every time you sharpen. Sharpening sticks and stones definitely have there place, but for quick accurate sharpening this thing is awesome.

Edit: It is also dishwasher safe, so you can sharpen mid-prep and then just throw it in the dishwasher to sanitize it.
 
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I use Kai/Kershaw Shun blades. I have:

1: Bread Knife

2: 7" Santoku

3: 3" Paring

4: 6" Utility

That's all you need. I can perform any kitchen task with those knives. The bread knife isn't strictly required (and I'm breaking my own rules by owning one), but they sure are nice. I do use it a lot.

Essentially, a cook with a kitchen needs only three knives. Many only use two.

I couldn't survive without a boning knife.
 

kennith

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I'm not enthusiastic about any device that's designed to sharpen by dragging a blade through a "V". There are many reasons to avoid such things, but they are exhaustive.

My own kitchen knives have very shallow and precise bevels. After any imperfections are sorted, material is removed with a 1,000 grit stone for sharpening, and it's finished off at 6,000 grit before polishing to an edge, where "grit" becomes a bit of a silly word.

Minus the final polish, many kitchen knives come from the factory that nice. 6,000 is nothing. It's easy. Even the Edge Pro includes a 1,000 grit stone and higher grit tapes.

Letting 325 grit rods anywhere near a knife meant to cut flesh regularly would be a terrible thing indeed. In actual practice, the blade should be maintained such that you don't need to go that low unless damage needs to be repaired or a bevel reset.

Hell, Zombie Tools finished my bowie higher than 325.

V-Sharp's answer beyond 325 are simple steels, as I've pictured above. Now, to be fair, they do mention that they are meant only to align the edge, but the product they offer only actually sharpens to 325. They do sell higher grit rods separately (600 and 1,000), but when you get up there, you need to be using stones.

That's not the biggest issue, though. Angles are a problem. It can't go shallow enough. Disregarding everything else I've mentioned, it still wouldn't work, because it can't hit angles found on certain blades, which can dip below 15 degrees.

Only their XE model can go below 20.

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't use that tool, or that it's ineffective. It's not out of line for your purposes, and of course it will sharpen a blade, but that's not the sort of thing someone should use on a kitchen knife.

Kitchen knives are expensive, delicate, and can be used by people who aren't exactly experts in their handling. They need to be sharp, and they need undamaged, aligned edges. Some of this is with safety in mind.

If you pay for a premium knife, you pay for a profile that you shouldn't alter without premeditated and deliberate action. The Edge Pro allows you to closer replicate the factory bevel, whatever it may be, and will go as shallow as can be reasonably expected.

She ain't cheap, that's for sure, but if he's sharpening knives in a "V" every month and not seeing the results he'd like, he needs just plain needs the Edge Pro, or some similar device.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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I couldn't survive without a boning knife.

That's a good point.

You know that you want a particular knife in your kitchen. Many don't know what they need or prefer, because they haven't started out small. They buy a big set and screw themselves accidentally.

It's understandable. We've all seen blocks with dozens of handles sticking out of them, and it's not surprising that people think they need it all.

Start with three. If you can't do something with those three that you need to do regularly, search for the solution. Some people need a proper cleaver, as an example.

Most don't.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Mike_Rupp

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I'm with Dan on the boning knife. While I could bone a chicken with a chefs knife, I wouldn't want to. A boning knife makes the job so much easier.

In order of priority here is my knife lineup:

1. Theirs Issard 10" chef's knife. I love this knife. I love the edge contour of a French knife compared to a German knife. It makes slicing veggies a breeze.

2. Global Bread knife. I don't use it that often, but when you need a serrated knife, there's no substitute.

3. Theirs Issard boning knife. It's got a really shallow blade which makes maneuvering around really easy.

4. Global Paring knife. There are just certain tasks where a paring knife gets it done.

I've got a bunch of other knifes in the drawer that hardly ever come out. One knife that I really like is a Japanese single bevel sashimi knife. I picked it up for $15 at a Japanese grocery store 20 years ago. I'm sure that among sashimi knifes it's a piece of shit. I maintain it on Japanese water stones that cost way more than the knife. It is wickedly sharp and I only use it for a few tasks so I can keep it sharp when I actually need a super sharp knife. With the quality of salmon here, we cook salmon often. One of the ways I like to prepare it is to sauté the salmon skin side down at a relatively low temp to crisp up the skin. I like to make shallow slices top to bottom on the filet which helps to crisp up the skin and the sashimi knife is great for the job.
 

SGaynor

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I use Kai/Kershaw Shun blades. I have:

1: Bread Knife

2: 7" Santoku

3: 3" Paring

4: 6" Utility

That's all you need. I can perform any kitchen task with those knives. The bread knife isn't strictly required (and I'm breaking my own rules by owning one), but they sure are nice. I do use it a lot.
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/prod...-santoku-knife/?pkey=ccutlery-santoku-knives&

I got this 7" Shun Kaji a few years back. It's my primary knife (other than bread and paring) I've only sharpened it with steel, and it will still cut your finger off in a hearbeat (although I can tell it does need a proper sharpening).

The Shun knives are amazing.
 

mjbrox

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Thank you all for the tips.

I really like the look of that edge pro. It looks like it is set up to be dummy proof.

It is a lot of money, I may split the cost with a buddy and just share it.
 
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At the risk of getting flamed here, I have to say one of my favorite knives is a.........Cutco. Cutco knives are basically turds, but I love the spatula knife. It never needs sharpening, has a flexible blade, and it's pretty sharp. It's the best thing I've found to spread mayonnaise, butter, or jelly on bread. I like using the spatula knife to make bacon sandwiches because I can slice the tomato, spread the mayo, and cut the sandwich in half with the same knife. When I'm done I just toss it in the dishwasher. I would never put my good knives in the dishwasher.
http://www.cutco.com/products/product.jsp?itemGroup=1768
 

Mike_Rupp

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Thank you all for the tips.

I really like the look of that edge pro. It looks like it is set up to be dummy proof.

It is a lot of money, I may split the cost with a buddy and just share it.

Two tips:

Put some blue painters tape on the blade with the exception of the edge. As you are sharpening with the coarse stone, it generates a lot of metal / stone which will end up on the ledge and you'll scratch the knife if you don't tape it.

Start out with a piece of shit knife. Everybody's got a few of these lying around in a drawer. It's better to figure out the process with a junker.
 

KngTgr

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This is the system I wish I had:

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Video:
Wicked edge

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