Has anyone tried it? The engine/trans from a "Mk III" RR into a Disco/RRC/P38? There are a few L322 Range Rovers coming up cheap(ish) on CL...
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L322 into Disco/RRC/P38
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A shop in England puts the 4.2l supercharged into defenders.
IMO a aluminum chevy swap would be way better. Because nothing on a l322 is the same other than the wheel pattern.
IMO a aluminum chevy swap would be way better. Because nothing on a l322 is the same other than the wheel pattern.
03-05 L322 cheap probably has a bad engine. the BMW engine is about as likely to fail as the 4.6 Rover
I was talking to a friend who's a mechanic awhile back. He said he does more head gaskets on those than than Discos.
Let me save you some time. Just pay a bum $10,000 to run up at random for the next year and kick you in the balls
The bmw motor is way better. If you change he oil more than every 15k miles, and keep the cooling system parts n good shape. When they blow the plastic, they overheat and need hg.
The jag motor is nearly trouble free. It takes a lot to mess one of those up.
The jag motor is nearly trouble free. It takes a lot to mess one of those up.
One thing to remember about non rover power plants IN rovers.
Rover still writes the software. I've been wrenching BMW's for 8 years now and have never had to do 1 head gasket job. Yes the cooling systems are vulnerable, but keep in mind how much thermoplastic is used AND normal operating temperatures versus other makes.
I've talked to ford technicians, and they have no idea why the 5 liters have the issues they do in Rovers.
Also keep in mind automobile manufactures are franchised a bit, much like fast food. The 2003 RR is almost all BMW, but I can only assume they let Rover write all the fuel trim algorithms. Here's an example. A customer towed both of his 2003 RR's down to the shop. Both had cooling issues BUT he's an airplane owner so almost every single hose was missing the hose end clips and he used safety wire, so almost every hose was leaking.
BOTH trucks had several vacuum hoses not connected BUT neither truck had CEL's or drivability issues. If it was BMW engine management there would've been oxygen sensor deviation faults, etc.
What happens when you have a vacuum leak? You run rich. What happens when you run too rich too long?
It's like the push rod engines. They run rich. Then some of you guys put remove the bypass so it takes even longer for the fuel trim go into closed loop.
In 8 years I've never had to replace timing chain guides in an M62 engine, not to say it doesn't happen, but I've never had to do one. Some of the ford guys I've talked to have never had to swap a 5 liter, yet every single one of my Rover tech friends have done at least one. Buick sold rover the 215 because it was a turd, when rover tried to sell it back to Buick, Buick said no thanks.
These trucks don't lose their value because of the bits supplied by other manufacturers, they lose their value because they are rovers!
Then again almost every single one of our customers change the oil every 5-7k miles so maybe if, like Kyle wrote, the vehicle is maintained it lasts longer?
Personally, if you're looking to wheel a truck anything newer than 2004 is going to cost you more on regular repairs than trail damage. Anything newer than 2004 is not as DIY as real Rovers. Then you have the CAN bus issues rovers are having now multiplied by the corroding wiring harness'.
It will be fun to read the tech threads when you guys start buying up the dirt cheap mk3's, lr3's, etc....
Fwiw, a timing chain guide job is 24 hours book time and that includes having all the right tools at your disposal.
So if you find a dirt cheap truck that needs that job, factor about $3k total for all the extra parts you should replace while you're in there.
Rover still writes the software. I've been wrenching BMW's for 8 years now and have never had to do 1 head gasket job. Yes the cooling systems are vulnerable, but keep in mind how much thermoplastic is used AND normal operating temperatures versus other makes.
I've talked to ford technicians, and they have no idea why the 5 liters have the issues they do in Rovers.
Also keep in mind automobile manufactures are franchised a bit, much like fast food. The 2003 RR is almost all BMW, but I can only assume they let Rover write all the fuel trim algorithms. Here's an example. A customer towed both of his 2003 RR's down to the shop. Both had cooling issues BUT he's an airplane owner so almost every single hose was missing the hose end clips and he used safety wire, so almost every hose was leaking.
BOTH trucks had several vacuum hoses not connected BUT neither truck had CEL's or drivability issues. If it was BMW engine management there would've been oxygen sensor deviation faults, etc.
What happens when you have a vacuum leak? You run rich. What happens when you run too rich too long?
It's like the push rod engines. They run rich. Then some of you guys put remove the bypass so it takes even longer for the fuel trim go into closed loop.
In 8 years I've never had to replace timing chain guides in an M62 engine, not to say it doesn't happen, but I've never had to do one. Some of the ford guys I've talked to have never had to swap a 5 liter, yet every single one of my Rover tech friends have done at least one. Buick sold rover the 215 because it was a turd, when rover tried to sell it back to Buick, Buick said no thanks.
These trucks don't lose their value because of the bits supplied by other manufacturers, they lose their value because they are rovers!
Then again almost every single one of our customers change the oil every 5-7k miles so maybe if, like Kyle wrote, the vehicle is maintained it lasts longer?
Personally, if you're looking to wheel a truck anything newer than 2004 is going to cost you more on regular repairs than trail damage. Anything newer than 2004 is not as DIY as real Rovers. Then you have the CAN bus issues rovers are having now multiplied by the corroding wiring harness'.
It will be fun to read the tech threads when you guys start buying up the dirt cheap mk3's, lr3's, etc....
Fwiw, a timing chain guide job is 24 hours book time and that includes having all the right tools at your disposal.
So if you find a dirt cheap truck that needs that job, factor about $3k total for all the extra parts you should replace while you're in there.
Agree with Kyle. The jag engines seem to be a lot more reliable, but changing the alternator requires sucking down the AC to remove the hard line across the fan shroud.
I've already started.....
So this 24 timing chain guide job, is that on the BMW or Jag engines?
Funny, I never really see bmw rovers have engine issues other than the normal cv hoses and ocassinal cooling failure. Transmissions seem to fail though sometimes.
They are eleventy billion times more reliable than the 4.0/4.6 in discos and p38's.
People get p pissed that their 16k range rover costs like a 90k rover to maintain, then they don't do it and it breaks.
They are eleventy billion times more reliable than the 4.0/4.6 in discos and p38's.
People get p pissed that their 16k range rover costs like a 90k rover to maintain, then they don't do it and it breaks.
personally, I'm not going to bend a hard line on a $60k vehicle, even if thats what the manufacturer suggests.
no shit. bmw has never had good luck with V8's….but because americans want V8's they have to fill that want. the m60 was porous and the engines were replaced under warranty, the m62 gets very loose and tired after 120k miles, the n62 is an absolute turd.
randy,
the E53 (first gen X5) had two V8's. the M62 and N62. the M62 was used 2000-facelift2003, the N62 was 2004 model year up to the F15.
the N62 was the worst V8 ever made be BMW, which doesn't matter because you would need an engine harness and ecu to make it work in a Mk3 RR.
the M62 is the engine that will work, but you're looking for one specifically from an E53. that leaves you 4 years worth of engines. that being said you're looking for an eleven year old engine. eleven years of 15,000 mile service engines probably won't be sold by salvage companies because they probably need rebuilt.
however, 11 years of proper maintenance means the engine stays in the vehicle and the vehicle stays intact and sold as a used vehicle. an eleven year old vehicle that gets totaled (which based on mileage, blue book value, etc. means the vehicle usually goes to the crusher. most german specific salvage companies are getting picky at auctions.
most german auto salvage companies are trying to move more towards newer vehicles. my buddy pat is the manager at PGA, here in Frederick. he can better explain why companies like his are moving more to buying much newer vehicles than older ones. i'll text you his number if you want. he can get you in touch with good contacts for specific vehicles, especially if you're looking for X5 M62 V8's.
fwiw, if you have the capital and space the newer Mk3's and Lr4's are the way to go. at least for the sheet metal and interior bits. we get people looking for trim stuff, headlights, etc due to the very high dealer cost.
land rover (at least in our area) is definitely looking to rid the 'riff raft', and prices are steep. for example, our cost to install the trailer wiring harness and coding the BCU (so the trailer stability assist works) is $225. manhattan wanted almost $800.