Land Rovers newer than Discos

[GregH]

the L322 Jag 4.4 is even more reliable. i saw some with 200k on them that still drove nice.
03-04 is easy on the computer required, o5 is half t4 and has some IDS IIRC to do the entertainment. 06 is IDS but less complicated. 07-09 is full IDS with all of the terrain response ect... 06+ uses the delphi entertainment system.

Im still confident that 06 is the best version. no terrain response with the Jag motor and 6 speed.

Agreed. I have an 06 RR3-still has a lot of electronics. At least reman replacement air struts are now within reason plus coil conversions are available too:

http://www.arnottindustries.com/part_LAND_ROVER_Air_Suspension_Parts_yid4_pid159.html

Besides the additional power of the Jag engine I prefer the 6-speed AT and Magna Steyr TC better than the earlier 5-speed and NV TC.

 

[az_max]

I'll be getting a 2003-2006 RR within a year or two. I've seen high mileage ones for $12-15k. Will probably have as many problems as my 90 RRC has.

 

[LR Max]

ignore them the same way some of us ignore the series 2

EXACTLY!!!

When I look at photos of rovers off road, I hardly see any D1's or RRC's anymore. Its all Disco 2's. Considering I see them for sale for under $5k, I would wheel the crap out of one as well.

Considering we all put a little bit of lift on our rovers and a little bit bigger tire, they will do fine. I think guys are "computer lifting" the newer range rovers, can probably do the same for these. Pushing a few buttons seems a lot easier than getting the truck on the lift!

Also they are very comfortable.

 

[kennith]

My '01 DII has seen all seven circles of hell, and it's been perfectly reliable the entire time. I bought it new, so I know how it's been behaving.

I maintain the vehicle very, very carefully. It doesn't break, and it doesn't leak.

In the right hands, there is nothing wrong with a DII.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[discostew]

I'll be getting a 2003-2006 RR within a year or two. I've seen high mileage ones for $12-15k. Will probably have as many problems as my 90 RRC has.

I think you will do ok with it if you liked your classic then you will like a new one a ton. But the years between 03 and 06 the changes were huge. KyleT described them pretty well. If it was my money it would be the 06 . The Jag. engine is so reliable compared to the BMW. Terrain response has its fans, I think its great for the average person w/little experience in the muck. But my advise is know these changes the vehicle went thru and make an informed decision when you pull the trigger on it.

 

[discostew]

My '01 DII has seen all seven circles of hell, and it's been perfectly reliable the entire time. I bought it new, so I know how it's been behaving.

I maintain the vehicle very, very carefully. It doesn't break, and it doesn't leak.

In the right hands, there is nothing wrong with a DII.

Cheers,

Kennith

I'm sure your d2 is a fine truck Kenneth. It just comes down to one question in my opinion (just an opinion). Do you want to leak oil or coolant ? I'll take a little oil leak. You can have your never ending battle to keep coolant in the old girl.

 

[kennith]

Mine doesn't leak anything without warrant. Never has.

Of course, I'm incredibly obsessive about maintenance on this vehicle.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[robertf]

I don't see how maintenance keeps the ABS in check on those vehicles. Its luck

 

[antichrist]

Electronics are what they are, it cant be so bad to work on can it?

Everyone has their own preference, but for me it's just one more thing to go wrong in the middle of nowhere.
Often the counter argument to that concern is that mechanical things go wrong also, with the person making the argument ignoring that the later models all also have basically the same mechanicals to go wrong.
So you're actually adding more failure points. Plus, you're adding additional diagnostic tools you need to take with you. Also the electronic repair equipment and additional spares for the electronics that aren't field repairable.

Even Land Rover had to have their Discovery 3 towed out of the jungle when it had problems on it's release promo.

 

[knewsom]

I love my D1, but if I could snag an 06 LR3 for 8 grand, I'd pull the trigger.

If you don't have electronic diagnostic and repair equipment with you already, I'm surprised. Electrical issues can take down ANY of our trucks. I carry an Ultragauge and a multi-meter.

I'd trade adding a few failure points that probably won't STRAND you for a more powerful efficient and reliable engine and overall mechanics, with increased capability and ground clearance to boot.

 

[p m]

If you don't have electronic diagnostic and repair equipment with you already, I'm surprised. Electrical issues can take down ANY of our trucks. I carry an Ultragauge and a multi-meter.

beware - having diagnostic tools doesn't mean you can fix broken shit
If anything, I value diagnostic tools for being able to tell things that don't matter (like P1317) from those that do (like running lean).

 

[antichrist]

If you don't have electronic diagnostic and repair equipment with you already, I'm surprised.

For my '95 that pretty much consists of a multimeter. And if I can ever find the money to convert it to a 300Tdi, it could pretty much be reduced to a test light.

 

[sideview]

Nope

They have a couple good diagnostics that work with newer rovers - the FCR reads & clears codes, I think it's only good for one VIN. With the MSV-2 you can also edit CCF data, and software is available for single or multiple vehicle licensing.

https://blackbox-solutions.com/products.html

 

[knewsom]

beware - having diagnostic tools doesn't mean you can fix broken shit
If anything, I value diagnostic tools for being able to tell things that don't matter (like P1317) from those that do (like running lean).

Agreed on both counts - but it's better to know why your truck won't start than not know - if there's a computer module that's gone out and disabled your vehicle, it could be as simple as replacing it once you track one down. It's not terribly smart to wheel hundreds of miles away from anything without multiple vehicles anyways.

 

[kennith]

I don't see how maintenance keeps the ABS in check on those vehicles. Its luck

Ahhhh...

Now that's something that goes wrong. I don't really care for the system either way, though.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

If you don't have electronic diagnostic and repair equipment with you already, I'm surprised. Electrical issues can take down ANY of our trucks. I carry an Ultragauge and a multi-meter.

I may have faith in my DII, but that doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Lots of things change, and good diagnostic capability really helps keep track of how it all affects the vehicle. As well, things go wrong on any newer car, and my DII is included, but it's never left me stranded. I've just got to carry a box with a few more spares in case something breaks.

I've got the MSV-2 Extreme, which works both with a laptop and without. If it was any more thorough, I wouldn't be clever enough to use it.

I've got the Rave files and the parts catalog saved in the laptop. It's a Toughbook CF-30, and I can swap to dual batteries when I need them. They last a very long time. It's slow, but all that diagnostic capability would be wasted if I used a computer that wasn't tough, reliable, and capable of operating a long time without a charge.

I also keep a hard copy of the full factory service manual.

I have one of those Equus scanners, as well. I think it's the 3130. It can be a bit confusing to operate, but it does work well enough. I bought it for other vehicles, but it's a serviceable backup.

My very old Craftsman Professional multimeter fills in the gaps. It's funny, but this thing actually came with a floppy disk when I bought it, and does indeed work with the computer. It's not the most useful feature, if I'm honest, but it's there. Newer meters make far better use of computers.

I know this stuff is expensive, but I didn't buy it all overnight. I put a lot of effort into this vehicle.

I also know that computers in cars aren't appreciated. I'm all about simplicity, I really am, but I like my DII. There are a lot of benefits to the vehicle, and there are drawbacks. I like computers less than most people, but we are stuck with them, to a degree. I may as well use them.

I'm not the best mechanic in the world. Still, I do what I can to keep things running properly. My maintenance schedule is insane, but I don't want her breaking down.

I get the points, I really do, but for me, on this vehicle, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. The other ones I've had have all been older, except for one extra DII that I bought to sell.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[antichrist]

It's not terribly smart to wheel hundreds of miles away from anything without multiple vehicles anyways.

Tell that to Barbara Toy.

 

[Blue]

It's not terribly smart to wheel hundreds of miles away from anything without multiple vehicles anyways.

I was going to just post this reply to the end of this whole thread without even reading past the first few replies:

Who the fuck would ever want an LR3?


But I more or less read through the whole thread anyway and now that I see knewsom's quote above, I have to say that the LR3 should be perfect for knewsom.

 

[WNYDiscoIIErik]

Coil conversions for the LR3 have been available for awhile.

 

[kennith]

It's not terribly smart to wheel hundreds of miles away from anything without multiple vehicles anyways.

If it was "smart", it wouldn't be worth doing.

Cheers,

Kennith