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LMRW
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i would not call it redneck but more flame! keep the gun in your hand and the pack on your back! or else you will be telling stories at the camp about the one that got away all the time! LOL 
Let's talk guns for Birds
- Thread starter Eric N.
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A5 Sweet Sixteen for everything but ducks. Remington 870 supermag for ducks and deer. I have shot a Nova on a few occasions I liked it. Browning Auto-5's pre Japan are some of my most fav guns in addition to early American double barrels.
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Kyle
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I never saw the attraction to the A5 , I pretty much hate it.. There is a belgum grade sitting in the gun cabinet that never gets shot
I grew up with the Auto-5 so perhaps I am biased, KVT what are your plans for your Auto-5. Has anyone shot the 16 gauge Citori?
Mosburg 500- nice cheap gun I use this as a loaner gun or backup Turkey gun
Benelli M1 Field 3"- This is my main Turkey gun great gun I used to use it for skeet shooting but ran into problems cycling when I used my reloads. Factory loads no problems
Beretta 686 Silver Perdiz Sporting Combo 28" & 30" barrels great gun I only use for skeet and doubles trap. It is to heavy to carry all day
Ugartechea Upland Classic sxs 16g. I just bought this for Grouse and Pheasent hunting so far this has been a nice gun it is lite, so far no problems.
I love shooting O/U or SxS for upland game I perfer to have options on what chokes to use compared to a single barrel gun.
A friend has a Stoger 2000. (Benelli clone) shoots ok but it feels cheap compared to the Benelli.
Another friend has 1187 very nice semi but you need to clean it alot, he also has a Ruger Red Label its a good gun but for the money I would have bought a Browning or a Beretta O/U.
If you are going with a Semi I would go with Kyle on this the Beretta 390 or 391 is a great gun. I have shot skeet and trap with people that own them and I never heard them say anything bad about the gun.
The main thing you want to look for is how it fits you. I have noticed all guns fit different.
Good luck
As for a rifle I would go with the Browning A-Bolt. I know some may argue but for the $$ it is a very nice gun. Friends of mine have Remington, Winchester and Ruger bolt action rifles and in my opinion the bolt action on the Browning wins in every catagory. You will see.
Just my $.02
Michael
Benelli M1 Field 3"- This is my main Turkey gun great gun I used to use it for skeet shooting but ran into problems cycling when I used my reloads. Factory loads no problems
Beretta 686 Silver Perdiz Sporting Combo 28" & 30" barrels great gun I only use for skeet and doubles trap. It is to heavy to carry all day
Ugartechea Upland Classic sxs 16g. I just bought this for Grouse and Pheasent hunting so far this has been a nice gun it is lite, so far no problems.
I love shooting O/U or SxS for upland game I perfer to have options on what chokes to use compared to a single barrel gun.
A friend has a Stoger 2000. (Benelli clone) shoots ok but it feels cheap compared to the Benelli.
Another friend has 1187 very nice semi but you need to clean it alot, he also has a Ruger Red Label its a good gun but for the money I would have bought a Browning or a Beretta O/U.
If you are going with a Semi I would go with Kyle on this the Beretta 390 or 391 is a great gun. I have shot skeet and trap with people that own them and I never heard them say anything bad about the gun.
The main thing you want to look for is how it fits you. I have noticed all guns fit different.
Good luck
As for a rifle I would go with the Browning A-Bolt. I know some may argue but for the $$ it is a very nice gun. Friends of mine have Remington, Winchester and Ruger bolt action rifles and in my opinion the bolt action on the Browning wins in every catagory. You will see.
Just my $.02
Michael
Finally some sanity from Michael.
All this autoloader talk makes my head spin.
I shoot two Uggies and an AYA for birds of all types.
I have an LCS upland classic in 20bore with 27.5" barrels chockes cylinder and skeet 2 for quail, a Uggie mod 30 12 bore with 28" barrels in modified and full and an AYA 12 bore with 26" barrels in improved cylinder and modified for doves, pheasant and everything else. All have double triggers. Of course all are english stocked with a splinter fore end. The AYA has about a 15" LOP and I tend to shoot it slightly better than the others.
The arguments to carry a double for wingshooting are endless. I leave everyone to their own preference but safety, versatility and style make the choice obvious for me. I prefer my barrels to stand shoulder to shoulder rather than climb all over each other.
If you really want to kill some time in addition to dweb I suggest you check out
bbs.shootingsportsman.com
It's the place to discuss all aspects of wing and clay shooting as well as dogs and training.
If you feel the need to shuck corn I wouldn't wander to far from the Winchester Mod. 12 or the Ithaca 37 that kyle spoke of.
I do have (shudder) a Mossberg pump for turkey and it is utilitarian at best but it seems to serve its purpose.
All this autoloader talk makes my head spin.
I shoot two Uggies and an AYA for birds of all types.
I have an LCS upland classic in 20bore with 27.5" barrels chockes cylinder and skeet 2 for quail, a Uggie mod 30 12 bore with 28" barrels in modified and full and an AYA 12 bore with 26" barrels in improved cylinder and modified for doves, pheasant and everything else. All have double triggers. Of course all are english stocked with a splinter fore end. The AYA has about a 15" LOP and I tend to shoot it slightly better than the others.
The arguments to carry a double for wingshooting are endless. I leave everyone to their own preference but safety, versatility and style make the choice obvious for me. I prefer my barrels to stand shoulder to shoulder rather than climb all over each other.
If you really want to kill some time in addition to dweb I suggest you check out
bbs.shootingsportsman.com
It's the place to discuss all aspects of wing and clay shooting as well as dogs and training.
If you feel the need to shuck corn I wouldn't wander to far from the Winchester Mod. 12 or the Ithaca 37 that kyle spoke of.
I do have (shudder) a Mossberg pump for turkey and it is utilitarian at best but it seems to serve its purpose.
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Kyle
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Well Jack , you have to consider that with someone like my old man. Getting that first AL2 was a big deal for him and he shot only that for everything. Most of the old timers used just one gun for everything and his happened to have been an auto. There isnt much that he hasnt killed with it. The same goes for his 390 now it is a work horse that has shot pretty much everything including that 900 pound 7X8 Elk last month. I dont care for the auto loaders myself stricly because I was brought up shooting a pump. I am comfortable knowing that if I had nothing but that one gun I would be fine with anything that came along. I am also comfortable knowing that no double of any configuration can keep up with my old model 37 with its antiquated fixed choke and its corn shucker forearm.. . I have a matched set of Parker doubles that look pretty cool but it ends there. There are safety in numbers....
. I have a matched set of Parker doubles that look pretty cool but it ends there. There are safety in numbers....
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Kyle
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Either one of you run enough rounds through a mossberg yet to see if the damn thing ever stops feeling so mechanical ? I hate how they are so clunky , just like an 870
I couldn't stand to put enough shells through a Mossberg to find out. Mechanical clunkiness is only one reason not to shoot something that poorly built.
I hear alot of you.. Thanks for the links. I see most of you have a number of guns for different types of birds.. I'm looking for a one gun does it all OK maybe not perfect type of thing.. Kind of like the Disco version of a shotgun. Does a bunch of different things well, not perfectly, but not crappy either..
My vote for total versatility in an entry level gun with two barrels is the Beretta 686 white onyx in 12 bore with 28" barrels.
The combination of decent weight and a pretty good swing along with a solid single selective trigger, ejectors and screw in chokes make this gun ready for anything. My friend has used his on everything from doves to turkeys and it's a really solid gun. You can put tens of thousands of rounds through it and Beretta will stand behind it. It also looks better that most of the guns in it's class (Browning Citori, Ruger Red Label, etc) I especially like the schnabel fore end.
I say if you're a one gun guy you either go with the versatility of a double with screw in chokes or the reliability of a pump. I think the place of the autoloader is mostly for absorbing recoil either with magnum goose or turkey loads or high volume dove a la Argentina. Otherwise if you need one gun that will never fail you even with minimum maintenance, you need the pump.
...but you don't need a Mossberg. To me the clunkyness and other fence post like characteristics didn't matter b/c this is a dedicated turkey gun and I'm not swinging it and I'm not really shooting multiple rounds. However, in the 80s when Mossberg was better managed and had some QA/QC they mad some really nice light weight 20 bore pumps with no raised rib and a streamlined fore end. These guns have fish scaling on the bolt and shoot really sweet. My buddy has one and I love it. I'm sure if you found one it would be cheap, so I would snap it up. I like the anachronism of having a "good" Mossberg.
I also think even the reliability of the 870 doesn't make it worth the pain of carrying and shooting.
ugh.
Kyle,
You're totally %100 right. You are a one gun guy. Essentials all the way.
The Parkers are a just clutter and an eyesore. Send them to me immediately and I'll get them out of your way.
The combination of decent weight and a pretty good swing along with a solid single selective trigger, ejectors and screw in chokes make this gun ready for anything. My friend has used his on everything from doves to turkeys and it's a really solid gun. You can put tens of thousands of rounds through it and Beretta will stand behind it. It also looks better that most of the guns in it's class (Browning Citori, Ruger Red Label, etc) I especially like the schnabel fore end.
I say if you're a one gun guy you either go with the versatility of a double with screw in chokes or the reliability of a pump. I think the place of the autoloader is mostly for absorbing recoil either with magnum goose or turkey loads or high volume dove a la Argentina. Otherwise if you need one gun that will never fail you even with minimum maintenance, you need the pump.
...but you don't need a Mossberg. To me the clunkyness and other fence post like characteristics didn't matter b/c this is a dedicated turkey gun and I'm not swinging it and I'm not really shooting multiple rounds. However, in the 80s when Mossberg was better managed and had some QA/QC they mad some really nice light weight 20 bore pumps with no raised rib and a streamlined fore end. These guns have fish scaling on the bolt and shoot really sweet. My buddy has one and I love it. I'm sure if you found one it would be cheap, so I would snap it up. I like the anachronism of having a "good" Mossberg.
I also think even the reliability of the 870 doesn't make it worth the pain of carrying and shooting.
ugh.
Kyle,
You're totally %100 right. You are a one gun guy. Essentials all the way.
The Parkers are a just clutter and an eyesore. Send them to me immediately and I'll get them out of your way.
"I never saw the attraction to the A5 , I pretty much hate it.."
I never found anything wrong with it. Mine is a gun that my old man gave to me a while back. It's a A5 with a 30" barrel with fixed full choke. There's not a lot of utility to the gun. About the only use is trap and goose. We used to have a gun range about 5 minutes from my house & I must have put 2,000 rounds through the gun over a couple years. I can honestly say that it never jammed. For goose hunting I use bismuth to overcome the full choke. Again, the gun performed reliably in the field.
Jack, I'll admit I don't know a damn thing about your shotguns, but do use any of those for goose?
I never found anything wrong with it.
Mine is a gun that my old man gave to me a while back. It's a A5 with a 30" barrel with fixed full choke. There's not a lot of utility to the gun. About the only use is trap and goose. We used to have a gun range about 5 minutes from my house & I must have put 2,000 rounds through the gun over a couple years. I can honestly say that it never jammed. For goose hunting I use bismuth to overcome the full choke. Again, the gun performed reliably in the field.Jack, I'll admit I don't know a damn thing about your shotguns, but do use any of those for goose?
thanks for the recomendation Jack.. Beretta sent me an email invite to shoot some of their guns up in Bristol, PA on Dec 4th.. However, it's only their line of pistols... Hopefully next weekend or the weekend after I'll gat a chance to go to the range and just try out a hole bunch of shotguns and see what feels good and what works/doesn't work for me.
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Kyle
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A little off topic but, my step father restored my uncles very old 38 revolver, that he used to shoot himself with.. My uncle told my stepfather that he wanted me to have it if anything should happen to him.. So my step dad has had it for a number of years.. I want it but, at the same time I haven't exactly ran up to PA to pick it up from him either and the last few times that I have been up there I haven't exactly reminded him to give it to me.. It creeps me out a little holding it.
Anyway, I can see where you would get frowned upon by giving away things that would be considered family heirlooms. Ya, man bad ju ju don't do it.. Pass them on as they have been passed to you..
Anyway, I can see where you would get frowned upon by giving away things that would be considered family heirlooms. Ya, man bad ju ju don't do it.. Pass them on as they have been passed to you..
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Kyle
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That's pretty damn cool Kyle that Heather comes out with you hunting or hell even shooting for that matter.. My wife hates guns ( out of site out of mind at my house ), has no interest in wheeling or camping, could never get her even anywhere near the notion of going hunting.. But she will go fishing. I just think that's pretty damn cool.. I can't wait to see what happens when I take my little girl out shooting for her first time.. The wife is going to kill me I'm sure.. That's going to be a rough one... Good thing I have a few years to get her to warm up to the idea..
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D Chapman
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I don't get into guns as much as some of you, but I had a Benelli 12ga. (well, still have it, it's just in GA now till I get it back) and used it often. I also have several other shotguns that just sit there. But, my favorite shot gun is a old Sears and Roebuck 16ga. pump. I have not idea why, but the feel it has and the way it shoots keeps me going back to it. I don't know how old it is, but I guess it was made in the 60-70's. When my dad was a cop, some guy shot his neighbor in the leg. After my dad made the arrest, he told the guy "your not going to get you gun back, but what will you sell it for?" I think he got it for something like 60 bucks. It's a modified choke but makes a really nice bird gun. Yet, it still works well for turkey too.