Limited slip?

[garrett]

"2 inch deep ruts dug in every highway"

I'm still trying to figure this out. After living in VT and traveling to New England/Canada for many years I never saw an evidence of this anywhere.
The Amish buggies in PA do FAR more damage and do exactly what you are talking about with their steel wheels, but studded snow tires?

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I run winter tires on every car I own and if I could run studs here I would.

better traction is just plain safer.

 

[nosivad_bor]

But you'll tear up the roads that you pay for Thom

 

[MUSKYMAN]

yeah but the roads I pay for allready are torn up...they are filling over 10000 pot holes a week in chicago right now.

there are two seasons in chicago.

winter...and construction season

there are roads around here that have so much truck traffic that they have ruts in them that fill with water and freeze and those trucks are not running studs.

this winter chicago ran out of salt for about 2 weeks and the roads stayed packed with ice for a couple weeks and the number of accidents spiked to a huge level.

The roads were so bad this year tire stores sold out of snow tires over and over.

with the high price of a single accident and deductables having dedicated snows is a no brainer.

 

[peter sherman]

Ah, another Dweeb jackass genius. The technology that has advanced is studless snow tires. Spinning at intersections isn't the damage that's bad, if the fucking 2 inch deep ruts dug in every highway. Maybe if you weren't spending all your time watching me read on the toilet you would have noticed.

ah look in the mirror!

 

[smelly pirelli]

ah look in the mirror!

thats funny right there! i dont care who ya are!!

 

[Mongo]

tug hill, northen ny 22ft or more!

used to live in Syracuse...

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Go around a corner sometime and step on the gas. I don't need 100% hookup, I run studded snows. I'd be more comfortable with just a bit more than open diffs. I already own two Tru-Tracs, so you don't need to sell me. I am looking for a plate type LSD for the rear of my winter ride.

Still trying to figure out what's wrong with Tru Tracs. I have one in my car and it's great. You sure you're not trying to say that Detroit Lockers are the problem? Because that I could understand.

 

[smelly pirelli]

used to live in Syracuse...

no kiding where! and where the heck are you now??

 

[MtclimberVT]

I used to live 20 min away from Tug Hill in Sackets Harbor for 3 years just left this past summer...i know some great guys to wheel with a few hours drive from you...let me know and i can hook you up with some names

Mike

 

[smelly pirelli]

I used to live 20 min away from Tug Hill in Sackets Harbor for 3 years just left this past summer...i know some great guys to wheel with a few hours drive from you...let me know and i can hook you up with some names

Mike

Cool !

 

[Mongo]

no kiding where! and where the heck are you now??

moved to tucson 3 years ago, used to live in the city off Lodi street...drop me a email and I'll hook you up with some of the boys...


Frank

 

[atholmotorcar]

Still trying to figure out what's wrong with Tru Tracs. I have one in my car and it's great. You sure you're not trying to say that Detroit Lockers are the problem? Because that I could understand.

First, I think a Tru-Trac is an excellent choice for most folks, most of the time. For winter driving, though, you want a smooth, consistent transition. Going from an open diff to 100% lockup is not exactly a smooth transition. A Detroit is even worse, you begin the turn with slippage. I'd like a clucth-type LSD. The wife drives a Disco in the winter, and I'd like it to be as easy as possible for her and the kids. An open diff is fine, but, on occasion, an inner wheel will spin. Not exactly as safe as it can be. Solid lockup, the rigid transistion to two wheels slipping is not the best either. Although she's never crashed, she does not necessarilly have the best driving skills, winter or summer.

 

[smelly pirelli]

moved to tucson 3 years ago, used to live in the city off Lodi street...drop me a email and I'll hook you up with some of the boys...


Frank

That i will . i gotta say , Its a small world ,but i wouldent want to paint it!! Steve

 

[I HATE PONIES]

Its a small world ,but i wouldn't want to paint it!! Steve

I think Sherwin Williams is Painting the World.:rofl:

 

[MUSKYMAN]

First, I think a Tru-Trac is an excellent choice for most folks, most of the time. For winter driving, though, you want a smooth, consistent transition. Going from an open diff to 100% lockup is not exactly a smooth transition. A Detroit is even worse, you begin the turn with slippage. I'd like a clucth-type LSD. The wife drives a Disco in the winter, and I'd like it to be as easy as possible for her and the kids. An open diff is fine, but, on occasion, an inner wheel will spin. Not exactly as safe as it can be. Solid lockup, the rigid transistion to two wheels slipping is not the best either. Although she's never crashed, she does not necessarilly have the best driving skills, winter or summer.

TT's are actually very progresive because they are a helicle gear LSD. they dont "lock-up" without brake modulation. when the inside tire slips they send some of the rotational load to the other shaft. when you are moving you will not even feel the one in the rear working.

just a rear TT is a nice upgrade on a otherwize stock D1 that is street driven.

 

[atholmotorcar]

TT's are actually very progresive because they are a helicle gear LSD. they dont "lock-up" without brake modulation. when the inside tire slips they send some of the rotational load to the other shaft. when you are moving you will not even feel the one in the rear working.

just a rear TT is a nice upgrade on a otherwize stock D1 that is street driven.

And a clutch-type diff would be nice "upgrade" to a winter ride currently running a Tru-Trac that is winter driven. "When it slips" becomes the issue. I'd rather it didn't slip. At all. Clutches are not perfect, but on the slick stuff, it's quite predictable.
Once again, opinions vary. I've owned pretty much every type of traction diff there is. I've grown up in less than ideal traction surfaces. The idiot-resistant operation of a clutch-type LSD is what I'd prefer.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

well if clutch style is go good why is quaife the #1 choice of snow and ice ralley drivers world wide?

a TT and a quaife are almost the exact same thing.

clutch style LSD's create heat, wear , chatter and fail under heavy use. this is why I avoid them.

I too have grown up in less then ideal traction conditions so it isnt like I am just spouting internet dribble. plus clutch style LSD's are almost only in OEM applications because they are cheap crap...heck I dont even know of one that can be put in a rover diff?

but as you said...opinions very

 

[Timmy!!!!!!!]

I think kam differtials LSD is clutch operated. But I bet the tru trac would be cheaper but I talked to bill awhile back and he said that eaton hasn't produced any tru trace lately.

 

[NHESS81]

BTW...all four tires are spinning because of an equal LOSS of traction...to clarify someone's post earlier in this thread before it became a pissing contest of tire technology...dweb rocks...