locking hub options

[jeepfiend]

A couple of questions. I have noticed that most of the hubs for the Series are pretty pricey. The Warns are probably the best, but I typically see sets in the $150-$200 range, most being closer to the $200 mark. What I am wondering, are there hubs for any other application that will work on the series? Are the stub shafts 10 spline? I have some hubs for older Jeeps that just might fit. I know there are likely some shaft and hub diameter differences, but the Rovers did evolve from Jeeps, so I am wondering if there might be some interchangeability here. Just wondering if anyone here has explored this option. The Warn Premiums for an older Jeep are about $50 less than the Rover hubs, and there are a lot more used hubs available for the Jeeps. I might just have to try some and see if they fit if no one here knows if they will work.

 

[Leslie]

Have you found Warn hubs for a Series Rover? They've been NLA for quite some time...

Although the original Rover was closely based on the MB, the driveline was derived out of Rover's car bits....

The Jeep ones won't be a match. However, it may be possible to work over a set to make them work... I don't know of it being done, but, someone may have. For quite some time, I've wondered if a rebuild kit for some other Warn hub variant would cross over for the Warn hubs for a Rover.... I've yet to ID such, though....

If you make any progress, I'd be interested in hearing about it....



-L

 

[jeepfiend]

I could have sworn that I saw a set of the warns in one of my catalogs. I will have to double check. They might be used, rather than new parts.
I will have to do some checking on the hub dimensions and see how they match up. It's likely though that the extent of the modifications would outweigh the cost savings.

 

[safarirover]

Hubs

I have a good used set. Also I get new ones from the UK. Drop me an email if you want a used set. Not in the garage today, but I think they are mile marker. Sold the warns a few weeks ago. I have tried in vain to find or alter new warns and so far nothing.

Stephen

 

[Dan Ratcliffe]

http://store.yahoo.com/cruiserconnection/landrover6.html

see if this helps

 

[jeepfiend]

nice price on those superwinch hubs. I don't mind the superwinch except for their bolts. You always need a few spares, since the weird tapered heads back out easily. I will continue to look into the warn options. Stephen, I will email you from home, I have some other parts questions for you.

 

[antichrist]

I've had Warn, Superwinch, lever style Dualamatic and "knob" style Dualamatic hubs. IMO the Warn, and I guess the new Superwinch) style suck in the winter as there isn't much to grab and turn, and is hard when they are packed with ice and snow. The type with a large exterior knob, like dualamatic and Bearmach, are much better in my opinion. Plus they are spring loaded, and so don't require rocking the vehicle to engage, like the warns.

Unless you put on a lot of milege, you'll never recoup your costs in fuel savings. The thing about saving on wear and tear is, IMO, a myth.

 

[jeepfiend]

I have been thinking the same thing on this Series. I just don't see myself putting on enough miles to make it worth it on the Series. Plus, without hubs, I don't have to get out in the mud and lock the front, I can just push the lever. I have had some old Jeeps with worn out front drive shafts, and hubs were nice there, it made it so I didn't have to put a new slip joint in the front shaft. I also notice quite a difference on my old Chevy, with the hubs in or out. But I think on the Rover front end, where it was designed to run all the time, I just doesn't make that much difference. After looking at hub prices, I would rather spend the money somewhere else on the rover. That $100 will almost buy the new crossmembers I need, or a few outriggers, or even the water pump I need. Right now the money will be better spent making Smokey road worthy. Thanks to everyone for the input.

 

[ISUZUROVER]

Don't waste the money on locking hubs. Series trucks need the front shafts rotating continually to keep the top swivel pin properly splash lubricated. All the parts in the front end will last longer if you don't run locking hubs.

 

[LMRW]

iszuzurover is all over it. skip the locking hubs and keep it lubricated. www.siamsafari.com

 

[antichrist]

Don't waste the money on locking hubs. Series trucks need the front shafts rotating continually to keep the top swivel pin properly splash lubricated. All the parts in the front end will last longer if you don't run locking hubs.

Good catch! I'd not thought of that because all my Series that have had locking hubs I ran in 4WD often enough I didn't worry about it.
Another reason not to use locking hubs.

 

[Dan Ratcliffe]

Well, here is what I have learned. I started with locking hubs on the beast, the lever type. I just couldn't find "O" rings for the levers that would keep the oil in got tired of it all over the rims, and those type REALLY stick out past the tires.

So I went to standard drive flanges. A little less top end, a little louder, etc. Well last weekend my front diff locked up, spinning the center of the drive flange smooth. As the beast is the daily driver, I have been driving with out the shafts and diff since Monday, and I got to tell you, a little more top end, and a little quiter; it just feels, dare I say it "sporty." I think I will be going back to lock out hubs.

 

[beowulf]

I'll tell ya, Dan...I've been reading DWeb for a few years now and have seen a lot of interresting tests that people have run ( the Krispy Kream suspension challenge was my favorite ), but stripping out your drive train just to see if lockable hubs are the way to go is REALLY hard-core. :applause:

 

[Dan Ratcliffe]

Necessity is the mother of invention. It all evens out. Several months ago I spent a week driving around on only the front axles because the rear diff went.

I love Land Rovers.:banghead: I love Land Rovers.:banghead: I love Land Rovers.:banghead:

 

[LR Max]

I like locking hubs. Too bad I got spotted into a rock a knocked the hell outta one of them. Now I have to dissasemble one of them to get it to lock...

Anywho, I've get a pair of milemarker hubs for a 10 spline front axle. They are brand new and include everything. I can't use them because I found out I have 24 spline front axles :banghead: . I need to sell em. Any takers?

BTW, they are pretty nice.

 

[Dan Ratcliffe]

Max:

I ordered mine on Friday

 

[Tdi Guy]

I have a set of Warn rover hubs for sale and a set of AVM hubs available... shoot me an email. I can get them out asap if anyone is interested.


RAndy

 

[JackW]

The Warns are the most fragile and hard to operate of all of the locking hubs I've had experience with - the AVM's run a close second. I've had the best luck with the old Husky Selectros and the Fairey ones. They both have a big knob that you can get a good hold of. There are some very small fragile pieces in the Warns and they stick out way too far.

 

[Leslie]

The Warns are the most fragile and hard to operate of all of the locking hubs I've had experience with - the AVM's run a close second. I've had the best luck with the old Husky Selectros and the Fairey ones. They both have a big knob that you can get a good hold of. There are some very small fragile pieces in the Warns and they stick out way too far.

Gee, Jack, how nice of you to post that right after Randy posted that he had both available for sale....

What's funny is, your comment is opposite of what most say, that the Warns are the most durable and the Faireys are the most susceptible to damage....

I'll agree, that Warns stick out further than I wish they did, but if you lock them before you get into anything, I've never had a problem getting them to lock.



Randy, good luck selling them. Have to admit, I'd thought about picking up another set of Warns to have on the shelf for parts, but, I've not had a need to have parts for 'em yet; it's a 'round 'tuit for me, eventually.....

-L

 

[JackW]

I didn't mean to sabatoge Randy's thread - as with all of the stuff on this board YMMV - from my personal experience I've had more trouble with the Warns - I have a brand new set of vintage Selectros in the box waiting to go on my 67 SIIA when I put it back together next year and I've got a set of Selectros on my 66 109 wagon that have over 200K miles on them.

And yes one of the keys to making the Warn hubs much easier to live with is to always remember to lock them BEFORE you need them. The AVM's are cool and work well - its just too easy to get the little levers in the wrong position and have one wheel locked in and the other freewheeling - you can guess how I know this - we felt like a bunch of maroons after spending a half hour knee deep in a mud puddle once.....