Looking at this soon...opinions?

Stamos

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After recently buying an LR4, I have been bitten by the Rover bug again. A few years back I sold my D1 to Mr. Greenspan and immediately regretted it.


I am going to look at this '85 110 this Saturday.


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/5349518548.html


Besides looking for the obvious rust issues (bulkhead etc.) what else should I be looking for?






Thanks in advance.
 

LRflip

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imho, it's a tithonus...so it should be in pretty good condition. I wouldn't worry about rust too terribly much.

Also, this one is about $2k too much compared to some of the other available options. There are 2 or 3 for sale on Defender Source right now, and a LHD can be found in that price range as well.

This one looks pretty good if you're into RHD, just know that there should be a little wiggle room on price.

The RHD just makes it harder going through McDonald's when you're feeling like a DQP w/ Cheese.

And yes, paging Dr. Snell...Dr. Snell to triage.
 

1920SF

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i always figured if I ever got a Defender it would be a Tithonus as they seem to be great trucks for the money-but for the engine being rather anemic. Then the Perenties started popping up.
 

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Realize that you are buying a very small diesel powered military vehicle with no power steering. If you don't mind that, go for it. If you want power steering, power brakes, quiet interior, smoother ride, a pleasurable drive, etc. then buy a RRC or Disco I.

You're going to spend almost $20k for a military vehicle that is in reality an $10-12k military vehicle. Yes it has been "refurbished" by the MoD but that is to military standards. You will likely not be happy with a 2.5 NA diesel in the end and will end up spending another $6k for a 200tdi/300tdi conversion which is in reality a $500-1000 engine.

If you do not have $60k in a checking account I would not recommend buying one of these. The entire market for them in the US is fudged. People overpay out the nose simply because they think they are rare vehicles that are worth that much. They aren't. I'm fairly certain the reason the imports change hands so quickly is because people realize how shitty they are. The ones that don't change hands are the Td5 builds that are actually nice to drive or the folks who build them to their exact desires. The casual I've-always-wanted-a-defender-buyer will be happy for a few months and then hate their life when they realize how much it costs to get the vehicle up to speed.

I owned 4 different early 90s/110s when I lived in the UK. You could buy them for $2k easy. The exact same $2k vehicles I used to buy with beer money sell for $15k over here even though shipping is only $2-3k. Do the math. You're getting ripped off if you aren't buying a plane ticket to the UK, Australia, or Europe to do the shopping in person. Don't think that a "dealer" is going to be any better. You can read on D90 that most of the sellers end up getting popped a year or two into business for being scummy and ripping people off. Just because it "drives and shifts as it should" or "goes into each gear fine" doesn't mean your transmission is in good condition.


That's just my advice it isn't supposed to sound harsh/hateful. I loved that Disco. Ended up selling it(when my wife said she wouldn't drive it anymore) and it's in Missouri now I think.

I think the 15-16k range for a tithonus/perentie is more realistic. The list price for the Tithonus at auction in the UK was around 6-9GBP. That puts the truck more in the 15-16k after import/shipping. I think the Tithonus is overrated since it's a regular one with new seats, exmoor mating system, roll cage, and special (awkward) top. Perenties on the other hand have the galvanized chassis, 3.9 isuzu, and the extended rear frame to put the spare underneath instead of on the back or hood. If you really want a military one, I would seriously consider flying to the UK and getting a rental car and going to Witham Specialist Vehicles and finding the exact truck you want. They have TONS of trucks and they'll let you inspect them before buying in person. The difference for the Tithonus versus a hand picked regular GS 110 would be negligible except in your wallet.

My best recommendation:
1. Plane ticket.
2. Hand pick your truck based off rust/bulkhead
3. Ship to the US
4. Replace engine trans with Disco running gear
5. Be happy that you spent $1-3k on a trip, $4-7k on a vehicle, $2-3k on shipping, and $3-5k on making it as modern as they can be with an EFI V8 and R380 or Autobox. $10-18k all in depending on who does your work. My estimates for the conversion could be off but I think those are reasonable.
 
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mgreenspan

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Follow-up.

Things to actually check. Shift through each gear, up and down, check the low range, and diff-lock, underneath, look for obvious leaks.
Check all the body mounts to see that the tub and everything actually sit where they are supposed to.
Rear cross member take a flashlight and look at it front to back as that's where mud/grime/water sprays up into.
Check for rust in the bulkhead footwells and from in the engine bay looking at the footwells especially the sides that would be where your right foot taps the footwell(this will have an exmoor mating on it so looking from the other side is imperative). Look at top corners of bulkhead(cant remember if plastic covers part of it in military ones or not so maybe take a screw driver also peel off the rubber door seal so you can see all of where it connects). Also look above the dash vents beneath the windscreen for rust.
Check the front frame horns also where the bumper mounts for any rust. Look down inside them. Maybe take one of those magnet on a bendy stick tools and poke it in there to see if you have any rust flakes on the inside.
Check seatbox area(underneath both front seats) for rust.
On flat it should be able to get to 60 in decent time and eventually make it close to 70(on the speedometer, not GPS). If it can't, the engine is fudged. It should be able to stop and not feel squirrely except that you have no power steering so you'll still have that heavy feeling.
Check to make sure the heat works and the blower works.
 

Ed Cheung

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That is 10x more that over here in HK, and we have shit loads of supplies left over from the Brits, and still no one buys them.
 

Mongo

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Matt hit most of the items to check…Plan a engine swap and be prepared for the rust that will surface, most likely sooner than later


Remember one thing, these are military trucks that got whaled on, do not fool yourself into thinking that it was wiped with a diaper everyday when put in the garage
 

Stamos

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Thanks to all (especially Matt) for the advice.


I can live with most of it's obvious drawbacks as it will be a sometime weekend driver/camping vehicle. After looking at comparable 110s it appears a few grand high (as you have mentioned).


I'm not 100% sold on it yet though...


"My best recommendation:
1. Plane ticket.
2. Hand pick your truck based off rust/bulkhead
3. Ship to the US
4. Replace engine trans with Disco running gear
5. Be happy that you spent $1-3k on a trip, $4-7k on a vehicle, $2-3k on shipping, and $3-5k on making it as modern as they can be with an EFI V8 and R380 or Autobox. $10-18k all in depending on who does your work. My estimates for the conversion could be off but I think those are reasonable."


This seems like a much better idea and one my girlfriend could certainly get behind! Hmmmm


Thanks again guys!
 

Howski

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This seems like a much better idea and one my girlfriend could certainly get behind
Not sure she'll be behind it once she rides in one. Older 90/110's without the creature comforts can be a rough and miserable ride in hot, humid, or rainy conditions.

My .02 - RHD was never an issue for me. You have to adjust to the blind spot which I imagine is much larger with the panel sides. The 2.5 is a dog. Any highway trips over an hour or two would be rough. The fuel economy was a nice novelty at first but doesn't matter much with how cheap gasoline has become. As mentioned above, they require more resources, time and money, to take care of them due to rust, age and lack of basic creature comforts. I think the 60k number is a bit high but you should have a good chunk of change on hand for service and upgrades. I am cheap and it's why I'm out of my 90.

Finally, get one in the best shap you possibly can with regards to the frame, bulkhead, electrical and overall condition. I did not have this pleasure and ended up chasing my tail quite a bit on hack jobs done by past owners. There are more and more 90/110's coming into the country so I would imagine the number of quality examples would be increasing with it.
 

Stamos

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Not sure she'll be behind it once she rides in one. Older 90/110's without the creature comforts can be a rough and miserable ride in hot, humid, or rainy conditions.


Luckily she has a new LR4 for the days she is feeling "girly". I was referring to taking a trip to England to buy and ship one myself. What woman wouldn't want to take a trip to England?


This vehicle will only be used for light weekend drives and camping trips (relatively local).


I am fairly mechanically adept so wrenching on my own vehicle won't be a major issue. I still plan on looking at it's overall condition and test driving it, but I am keeping my options open. I would consider a D90, but they are priced absolutely stupid for what they are. If I can buy this 110 right, I cannot see losing any money on it when/if I decide to unload it.
 

Mongo

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Not sure she'll be behind it once she rides in one. Older 90/110's without the creature comforts can be a rough and miserable ride in hot, humid, or rainy conditions.

My .02 - RHD was never an issue for me. You have to adjust to the blind spot which I imagine is much larger with the panel sides. The 2.5 is a dog. Any highway trips over an hour or two would be rough. The fuel economy was a nice novelty at first but doesn't matter much with how cheap gasoline has become. As mentioned above, they require more resources, time and money, to take care of them due to rust, age and lack of basic creature comforts. I think the 60k number is a bit high but you should have a good chunk of change on hand for service and upgrades. I am cheap and it's why I'm out of my 90.

Finally, get one in the best shap you possibly can with regards to the frame, bulkhead, electrical and overall condition. I did not have this pleasure and ended up chasing my tail quite a bit on hack jobs done by past owners. There are more and more 90/110's coming into the country so I would imagine the number of quality examples would be increasing with it.

Quality is dropping and prices are increasing...

I've seen 2 1986 110s in the last month that were ad solute pieces of shit that we're going for 4K more than I got my 110 for
 

Howski

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Quality is dropping and prices are increasing...

I've seen 2 1986 110s in the last month that were ad solute pieces of shit that we're going for 4K more than I got my 110 for

Interesting. It seems prices have dropped over the past year for 90's and I figured it was due to better quality rigs being brought in. Maybe the 90 market it just flooded in comparison to the 110 market.
 

Mongo

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The price is dropping because more trucks are now available to import, but more doesn't mean better…

Looked at a 90 yesterday, the bulkhead was rusted out, floorboards were shot and the frame had enough wax oil on it to hide the titanic…guy wanted 17k. Here's a pic, sure it looks good from 10'

people are smoking way too much meth
 

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The price is dropping because more trucks are now available to import, but more doesn't mean better…

Looked at a 90 yesterday, the bulkhead was rusted out, floorboards were shot and the frame had enough wax oil on it to hide the titanic…guy wanted 17k. Here's a pic, sure it looks good from 10'

people are smoking way too much meth

Yea but its almost kinda Arless blue which makes it worth like a gazillion dollars more!!! Some shit for brains on D90 will buy it.