Ehh something was probably wrong with the lotus.
Haha.
I bet my 4.0 V8 Disco could smoke the shit out of that BMW and Lotus any day. 0-60 on the disco is what, 11.2 seconds? Its a ROCKET
Haha.
I bet my 4.0 V8 Disco could smoke the shit out of that BMW and Lotus any day. 0-60 on the disco is what, 11.2 seconds? Its a ROCKET
The fastest I've ever gone in my disco was ~105mph on the highway, amazingly most other people were driving faster than me, it was strange. My friend confirmed the speed, he was driving behind me.
I know I'm going 85 when the windows start rattling in their panes.
I know I'm going 85 when the windows start rattling in their panes.
The Lotus could have won. Thankfully, he didn't have the balls to pass in the corners. His shifting wasn't that bad, but throttle application was a bit rough, meaning if he were smoother, he could leave the turns much faster.
He obviously has no business driving a Lotus, either way.
A lotus gets much of it's handling and high speed cornering from light weight and massive downforce. If you really have to slow down, the downforce doesn't really count all that much. Still, it will severely outcorner a BMW.
Also, they may not be blazing fast, but they are more than a match for that BMW.
Now, that's not to say there is anything wrong with a Bimmer. They are built very well, and are some of the best driving sedans out there. I would never say anything bad about them besides the new styling. Oh, yeah, and i drive.
You have to remember a lotus is much lighter, and has a much better centre of gravity. Not everyone cares to own a Lotus, and not everyone fits in one, either.
Now, he who is in posession of a Caterham R400 Superlight will beat them both.
Cheers,
Kennith
He obviously has no business driving a Lotus, either way.
A lotus gets much of it's handling and high speed cornering from light weight and massive downforce. If you really have to slow down, the downforce doesn't really count all that much. Still, it will severely outcorner a BMW.
Also, they may not be blazing fast, but they are more than a match for that BMW.
Now, that's not to say there is anything wrong with a Bimmer. They are built very well, and are some of the best driving sedans out there. I would never say anything bad about them besides the new styling. Oh, yeah, and i drive.
You have to remember a lotus is much lighter, and has a much better centre of gravity. Not everyone cares to own a Lotus, and not everyone fits in one, either.
Now, he who is in posession of a Caterham R400 Superlight will beat them both.
Cheers,
Kennith
neither car looked like it had a driver worth shit.
go back and look how late on the breaks the bimmer is. plus he was diving way inside in the corners, if he would have been on the brakes a bit sooner he could have broke way less and carried alot more speed through those big sweepers they were driving.
rookies
go back and look how late on the breaks the bimmer is. plus he was diving way inside in the corners, if he would have been on the brakes a bit sooner he could have broke way less and carried alot more speed through those big sweepers they were driving.
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MUSKYMAN said:neither car looked like it had a driver worth shit.
go back and look how late on the breaks the bimmer is. plus he was diving way inside in the corners, if he would have been on the brakes a bit sooner he could have broke way less and carried alot more speed through those big sweepers they were driving.
rookies
Generally drivers do wait later to brake..thats generally the way most drivers drive. One of my best friends is a profesoinal driver and a Instructor for Panoz/Skip Barber and you wouldnd beleive how late he brakes. I used to ride the brakes for awhile like that thinking i could carry more speed through the corner - not true at all. My last day at hte track I was way faster if i waited til the last minute and jabbed the brakes rather than riding the brakes...
"slow in, fast out"
The 335i feels much faster than the factory specs BMW claims and for a daily driver, it has beautiful manners.
The Bimmer driver was the worst of the two. He could not get any pull even trying to take track lines on a public street. Yes, he was braking too early and his aiming for the apex just sucked. At least the Lotus pretty much kept to the 'legal' lines and did not lose too much ground.
I think the Lotus did great for a little Toyota MR four banger at something like 220HP. This is to say nothing of the driver of the Lotus except that he was at least a little better than the Bimmer pilot.
I think the Lotus did great for a little Toyota MR four banger at something like 220HP. This is to say nothing of the driver of the Lotus except that he was at least a little better than the Bimmer pilot.
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Alan said:
it is much faster.. they understated the numbers so as not to encroach on the e46 M3 figures as they still had to sell that car side by side to the 335i..
gil stevens said:
It'll be interesting to see if buyers view the price premium for the M3 as being worth it if the car is not significantly faster or better performing than the 335.
Believe me, they had no trouble selling M3s.
The M3 is simply the best they would do on a factory 3 series coupe. It may not have been lightyears beyond it's own brother, but it was certainly beyond it's competition.
The idea isn't to have something that is significantly faster than everything else. The idea is simply to have the fastest. If that weren't the case, nobody would drool over a Veyron, or an Enzo, because they are only marginally better performing than cars less than (in the Veyron's case) 1/10 their price.
For example, that Elise costs 40 thousand Dollars. People pay hundreds of thousands of Dollars to get just a bit quicker. And some of the vehicles are still left behind by the Elise in the twisties.
People just want the best, nevermind how much better it actually is.
Cheers,
Kennith
The M3 is simply the best they would do on a factory 3 series coupe. It may not have been lightyears beyond it's own brother, but it was certainly beyond it's competition.
The idea isn't to have something that is significantly faster than everything else. The idea is simply to have the fastest. If that weren't the case, nobody would drool over a Veyron, or an Enzo, because they are only marginally better performing than cars less than (in the Veyron's case) 1/10 their price.
For example, that Elise costs 40 thousand Dollars. People pay hundreds of thousands of Dollars to get just a bit quicker. And some of the vehicles are still left behind by the Elise in the twisties.
People just want the best, nevermind how much better it actually is.
Cheers,
Kennith
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the difference in this case is that the E92 chassis of the 335 is far better then the E46 chassis on which the M3 is based. the problem was that the 335 is as good of a performer as the E46 M3. but the E92 M3 wasnt arriving for a another model year.. and look how much the bar is raised on the E92 M, because it had to be to maintain that "M" performance level above the standard 3 cars..
personally, id buy a 335i over an E46 M3 any day..
but the real badass in bimmer family will be the 135i..
personally, id buy a 335i over an E46 M3 any day..
but the real badass in bimmer family will be the 135i..
gil stevens said:
Yeah, but people still bought them. And when compared to it's real brothers, it was better. Was, is, I haven't been to a dealer in a while. The E92 comparison isn't really fair, even though they were side by side in the showrooms.
It was still an M, the best of that chassis line. I'd love to have one. That has always been my favorite BMW, barely nudging the Z8 aside. The Z8 never had the balls to back up the looks, unfortunately, it was more of a cruising vehicle.
BMW pulled out almost everything they had, even turning out the CSL variant. That vehicle was the hallmark of the BMW brand, even when compared to the M5. To me, it represents the best of the old BMW.
Personally, I'll take that over the 335i. M=M=BMW putting their heart and soul into a car that was never neccessary.
Cheers,
Kennith
Kennith,
Have you seen this recent article on the new M3?
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0710_2008_bmw_m3
Have you seen this recent article on the new M3?
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0710_2008_bmw_m3