LR3 PROs and CONs Vs 01 DII SE7

Disco.Kanata

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Thinking of moving from my awsome 01 DII SE7 to a LR3, first thought by looking at the LR3 is that its more... well.. refined (AKA poser looking) dont get me wrong I love that they kept that boxy look but worried its not as durable.

My only DII complaint from my experience is the acceleration, the 400 - 700 Ks (250 - 440 Miles) per tank of gas I am getting, and the annoying TC clicking noise when it kicks in (unless someone tells me that sound is not right).

I would prefer a review from the people who actually "USE" their machines not joe-bou from C&D who drives it for a week or 2 and gives his/her take.

Thanks in advance
 
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bterpstra

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I've owned both. Before I offer opinions though, tell me what you're doing/planning to do with it.

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Disco.Kanata

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Tow the toys, chaufer the kids, the odd hunting trip on Hydro/pipeline roads. I am not a serious off roader by any stretch but when or if I need to climb, crawl, and swim, I want to know I can "do it" so its not a concern.
 

lionvt

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We have a 91 RR Classic, a 95 Disco I (my rig), and a 05 LR3 (the wife's) . We also live on what is designated a class 4 road, at the end of road, on Mt. Mansfield in Vermont. We have an off camber extremely steep driveway. It's not rock climbing but the road and the drive is everything else -- deep snow, deeply muddy rutted, icy/slick. We run studded Nokian Hawks from October 15 to May 1, which is key because the stock tires on the LR3 are purely for boulevard cruising.

I have to admit it (and I love my Disco I) but the LR3 is the most capable of the three Rovers. You usage suggests you could probably do well with 90% of the SUVs out there, but as someone who _does_ have the kids and groceries on board -- but also actually uses the capabilities of the LR3 -- its not a poser. I pull "cute utes" out of the snowbanks on my road all the time. We have visitors in soccer mom SUVs that can't make our drive. I was a skeptic about the electronic wizardry of the LR3 but in use -- it really gets the job done. Its also goof proof for my wife -- who doesn't want to understand the difference between locking the diffs, etc. etc. The on dash display leads you through all the steps of putting it in low gear or explaining what is going on. Silly, I know, but I can tell my wife to put the car in the "snowflake" mode and she can do it.

As to the curb appeal of the LR3, I think it looks great and looks at home in the country club's parking lot (if that is important to you).

I like them both (and I recognize that you have a Disco II) and I can certainly say for the types of conditions I drive in, which is all on road (well, a class 4 road), the LR3 is a great vehicle.
 

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Disco.Kanata

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Excellent thanks, with snow like that (picture), then I'll go with your reco, I live in Eastern Ontario (Ice storm capital) , but spend allot of time in Northern Ontario, 6 months of the year is plenty oh snow and between -10 to -50, and it sounds like the LR3 can handle it like my Disco.
 

lionvt

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I think you'll be impressed. The descent mode is extraordinary. We take it down our icy and snowfilled driveway and even when the car begins to high center (at which point you can elevate it using the air suspension) the computer keeps the car tracking slowly down the hill and on the road. And in the snow/grass/gravel mode -- its hard to deliberately spin the car. I've taken it out onto icy parking lots to try, and the computer does its best to keep you out of trouble. It's not totally goof proof -- you have to be somewhat aware and sometimes you have to turn off the antispin modes when a little wheel spin would help to dig down to the gravel -- but 90% of the time it is fantastic and takes a lot of the thinking out of driving in these conditions. Frankly, I have to remember when I am driving my Disco and the Range Rover that I, not the computer, have to do the thinking in those two rigs.
 
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bterpstra

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As long as you don't intend to do substantial rock crawling, I agree with the rest - the LR3 is a generally more capable vehicle both on and off road. On road it drives very nicely - not fast but it's not the road hazard that my DII was. On curvy roads, the suspension gives reasonable feedback, again much better than the DII. The rear cargo is immense once the seats are folded. 6 foot tall folks can actually fit in the 3rd row. The fold flat seating is also nice-on camping trips I don't even bring a tent anymore. I sleep wonderfully well in the LR3.

Offroad, the wheel spin is much less than the DII. The system rides rocks very smoothly. It really is point and shoot. The only major downside is the low rocker panels & inability to gain any clearance via a lift. The gearing is lower than the DII, the engine braking better, the traction control is better. Visibility of the corners is a touch worse in tight places and the longer wheelbase hurts some but the turning radius is if anything a bit tighter. All other things equal I would prefer the DII for wheeling in tight trees & tight switchbacks but all other things are not equal - the LR3 really is amazingly capable. I also prefer the DII's driving position and general visibility. The LR3 is a bit more sedan-like in where it places the driver. The headrest position also gets a bit annoying and is not adjustable.

Real world mileage is 2-3 mpg better in the 3 in general driving.

FYI - make the dealer replace the tires and put some decent rubber on the thing. Avoid the bigger fancy blingy wheels and you can put slightly taller rubber in there. You are still left with the weenie spare but a Kaymar tire carrier/rear bumper can fix that.
 
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bterpstra

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Forgot about that one. Interestingly, the mount/latch mechanism looks the same as the kaymar carrier on my D-90 which is very, very stout and well made.

BT
 

jwest

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Yeah, I think it's a mechanism made by some other company for various uses. The coolest one I've ever seen is the ARB version for the rear of a 100 series Land Cruiser. Check out their site to see details.

I put a thin rubber section on the bumper to keep the closer arm from gouging the paint and then allowing rust to start.

For what discokanata wants to use this for, the lr3 might be perfect. However I would suggest a long test drive for the day to make sure you like it's ergonomics. Some people defend the new design as gospel, others likt myself, however rare it seems, think it's too large/wide/somethign odd especailly on long trips.

Throttle response is odd too, a little slow/surge-like from a stand still.
 
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You raise a couple of good points I forgot to add.

For offroad use, I liked the old disco design where the door crowded your left shoulder a bit. Made it feel somewhat cramped but offered great visibility of the road just to your left. The wider LR3 feels more like a normal car, which is nice except when there's a boulder sneaking around your sills.

Length is also an issue offroad for the same reason. Also an issue when you have to make a very hard left turn in order to get into your garage. I know it barely fits in mine. 6" longer or wider and I would be completely hosed.

The throttle response takes some getting used to. It tends not to shift immediately out of lower gears once in a while, definitely likes to rev more than I'm used to, and the torque curve seems to favor higher rpm's more than I would like. Going up I-70 out of Denver, I would have expected the engine to pull it up the hill at something less than 4k on the tach. It actually revs higher than my old disco as we head up into the mountains at the same speed. I'm pulling less throttle, and my mileage is a tad higher, but still surprising for a 300 hp engine.

Definitely agree - try it for a few days before you commit, and if possible develop a long term friendly relationship with your mechanic.


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jwest

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Disco.Kanata said:
My only DII complaint from my experience is the acceleration, the 400 - 700 Ks (250 - 440 Miles) per tank of gas I am getting, and the annoying TC clicking noise when it kicks in (unless someone tells me that sound is not right).

Thanks in advance

More acceleration in the lr3 but with an odd feeling unless under full throttle. MPG.... do not expect any better if you ever put a rack on top or drive fast. I know in Ontario you are mostly going 90kph or maybe 110 but going 140kph + nets me about 12mpg. Having more weight isn't as much the issue on mine as is the frontal area causing more air resistance. In my frustration with this aspect, my tests show the only way I get 15mpg or a little more is by never going over 70mph and being soft on the acceleration.

I think it is ironic though because in the D1 with larger tires and slightly wobbly steering, I hardly ever drove 90mph. The lr3 makes it too easy to push that speed range.

It is awsome towing though. Double axle with a bmw motorcycle to the track with all the extras like fuel and tools, etc. was like nothing at all.
 

lionvt

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Some valid points are raised here (thanks SCSL! We like the house and it does give us a chance to justify our AWD vehicles as many days I literally would not be able to get home (or out) without them).

The LR3 feels twice as big as my D1. It is bigger and heavier but I think that is not the entire explanation. I think the post about the driving position hits some of it. There is a solidness to the experience that borders on remoteness. My wife likes it and my toddler likes the silence so that she can better watch her DVD player -- but I would rather drive my D1 even though (maybe because of?) I have to listen to the matrix in the cats rattle around at low pipe pressures and that mysterious distributor whine that maybe I'll have to do something about someday. I can feel it when my D1 is about to break adhesion on a snowpacked road, the LR3 has the computer to worry about that and is consequently solid and secure and not going to break loose -- but perhaps a little boring? But for my application, which is mainly to get home and to the ski resort -- and to have a car that my wife can drive in pretty narly conditions -- its perfect. But is it a bush wacking trail rig? No, and at its price, it won't be for a while.

The throttle response is pretty twitchy. That is part due to the engine which has plenty of oomph, but also due to the software profiles for it. Frankly, for that reason I secretly prefer to drive it in many conditions on the snow/sand/leaf setting because it restricts the throttle and potential wheel spin. It makes it a more comfortable and less lurchy drive tootling around town. But on the other hand, when you want to, it will really fly, especially in sport mode, the way my D1 will never do or feel safe doing.

It's been a perfect vehicle for me, but I have a wife, 2 kids, 2 dogs, a trailer, live on a semi-maintained mountain road in the mountains where we routinely get 4 feet of snow -- and my wife and are professionals where we are expected to have a vehicle to meet clients and such with a vehicle with some class (my old F-150 4 x 4 wouldn't be appropriate). We also bought the vehicle used with less than 7500 miles on it. So, for us it has been a great match but I sometimes wonder who else Land Rover sells these vehicles to.

My guess is for most of the LR3s I see, based on their immaculate paint and ridiculous all weather tires, I'm assuming that most are soccer moms who like the ride and space but never get to see the miracle of the expensive electronics in action.

Even using studded Nokian Hawks, I put the chains on my D1 about 6-10 times a winter to get down my drive or up my road.

I don't even own chains for the LR3 (not even sure if they're recommended). It is really that impressive if you have the need for a big vehicle with these capabilities.
 

Disco.Kanata

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AWSOME! AWSOME! this is all great, way better than a C&D review or of course better than just testing the Landrover dealership off road course they have, nice to have real world examples by real users.

Thanks folks mucho appreciated