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flyfisher11

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hafaday said:
ditto on the Beretta M9. have used very it very much. also the Beretta's 92, FS92 are basically the same weapon (all 3). but is large (meaning long) in size. all built on the same platform if you will

i also like P226,. a friend had 1 and i thought it fit well (to me) and also fired nicely.

EDIT: i've got a Glock model 19 and love it. as for the 1911 Colt, the 19 conceals easy

I still prefer the Glock 23 for the OP, but will say all the years I carried the M9 in the service and used it on the range it has to be one of the safest weapons I've ever operated. If that is a big concern then the M9 wins. Load it, cock it, de-cock with round in chamber etc...
 

Andrew Homan

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gage092879 said:
everyone is about the sig, try diving with one in salt water. then you will change your mind. besides, if you look at it from a function stand point, the line of recoil where the slide and frame meet is where you need to be closest to to be able to have better recoil recovery. so the more mass you have on the slide(heavier, taller, etc) the more muzzle flip you are going to get when you have to do follow on shots. therefore adding more time between your shots and to the overall length of your time. and yes that is if you are still holding it the right way. it is a small amount of time, but it all adds up in the end. just my 2 cents, but what do i know.

cheers
c

Don't SEAL teams use SIGS? And don't they dive in saltwater? Not trying to be a smart ass I've just heard thats what they shoot for a side arm.
 

Andrew Homan

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Ballah06 said:
Flux capacitors are not afraid of water, they eat salt water for breakfast.....

Can you still get these now that the elections is over. I ordered ar-15 parts today and every fricken thing was on double secret back order. Now I have to wait two months for flip up sights and bolt carriers assemblies:banghead:

Maybe we should convert to flux capacitors. :patriot:
 

gage092879

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yes that is what they use and i have used them in the same way as them. ask anyone of them why they want to change handguns. just because someone up high likes the sig doesn't mean it is the best gun for the job. just like their hand to hand guy. ha. i don't understand how some people think just because the sf, force, seals, etc use something that it is the best. a lot of the time it is true, but not all the time. the sig rust real quick in the ocean. others do much better. all will rust in time, but the sig is quick to. i shoot a good bit, and that would be one of my last choices, but from what i understand, it is just for home defense. again my 2 cents. i am sure others will agree to disagree.

c
 

Steve

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Andrew Homan said:
Can you still get these now that the elections is over. I ordered ar-15 parts today and every fricken thing was on double secret back order. Now I have to wait two months for flip up sights and bolt carriers assemblies:banghead:

Maybe we should convert to flux capacitors. :patriot:
Every shop I've been into, I've asked about business and they have all said it was busy before the election and has been insane since. While in Gander Mtn the weekend before last, the purchasers in front of me were not buying waterfowl or deer guns for hunting season, they were all buying ARs and handguns. NRA is making a lot of cold calls too from what I've been hearing.
 

HunterAK

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I'm also looking for a personal carry firearm.

A friend of mine has a titanium S&W 340PD Airlight .357 mag revolver with a grip that had a laser sight. We were recently winter camping when he pulled it out for show and tell.

I am in love with this gun and it seems like it's exactly what I want.

Can anyone tell me anything about this gun? Pros/Cons. Are there other versions of this gun made by S&W that may be better/have more power?

Thanks...
 

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DIIdude

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My .02

I've shot rifles all my life and am a damn good shot. Recently bought an XD in 40 cal. Great gun and a blast to shoot. But, if the average person thinks they're going to take almost any stock semi-auto and consistently hit anything over 20-25 yrds they are mistaken. Maybe 10-15, so knock down wise I would buy accordingly.

That said, we had a raccoon show up at work a few years ago with distemper. Policeman shows up and puts a snare on the thing, it just sits there. Pulls out his 9mm and shoots it from about 8 ft away. That man was lucky he snared it first because that coon would have ate him up. Took two more rounds to kill it.
 
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D Chapman

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Shot a few handguns this weekend. I really liked a few others, but I'm still digging the Glock.
 

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JBOD77

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TN-LR3 said:
I have Springfield XD sub compact .40, great little gun

x's 2....got mine shortly after I bought my Glock 36. Sometimes, I wish I never bought my Glock. The XD is a little thicker but a little shorter than the Glock. It's Considerably heavier thought due to the additional rounds it holds. The difference between .45 and .40 if negligible when it comes to weight. Due to the weight of the XD, Lately I find myself carrying the Glock 36 more than the xd just cause it's lighter. But I do like the XD more than the Glock as far as fit and finish, comfort in the hand, style, etc.
just my .02! Buy them both like me!!
 

kennith

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Out of that list, in that price range, in 9mm, the P226 or USP 9mm are the ones to look at. The USP looks like a great deal if it is in good shape. They are both proven designs that perform admirably. There are numerous 1911s there, but I didn't notice any in 9mm, and there are a few made in that caliber.

The one I'd like to get my hands on is that FN 1900. I really like FN guns, and I really like the .32acp.

9mm is a great starting caliber, especially in a heavier gun.

I don't like a 1911 as a beginner's protection firearm. You need good training to use one effectively. Most people need to face the fact that they simply aren't going to seek out that training, even though they should, and ditch the idea of getting a 1911.

Similarly, you can put the idea of a hammerless double action revolver, or any double action revolver, right out of your mind unless you plan to train extensively with it.

The extremely heavy trigger pull makes them incredibly difficult for a beginner to shoot effectively at the range without good training and a lot of ammunition to practice with. Now, try that in the dark, half asleep, and scared to hell and back. It ain't going to happen man. People jerk triggers, and end up shooting wide at very close ranges.

You aren't going to get that sight picture, and you aren't going to properly squeeze. The military doesn't do it half the time, and neither do the police once the action starts. That's why a lighter trigger is a good move, as well as a heavier firearm to help keep you on target.

I recommend a firearm with decent heft, a smaller caliber, and cheap ammunition to start out with. Ammunition cost may not seem important, but you need to be shooting frequently to be any good at all with it. You need to show up to the range with a few hundred rounds to sling, every time, and that gets very expensive, very quickly.

It will quickly eclipse the cost of the firearm twice over, and only get worse from there.

That is why I also recommend purchasing a .22 target pistol to practice with initially, building good habits in the process. It will pay for itself almost immediately.

As for the real gun to keep for protection, if you must have a handgun, I recommend a full framed 9mm, like a Glock 17, a USP, a Ruger p95, anything in this caliber and size. The recoil is manageable, and ammo has historically been plentiful and cheap. You want that full frame for control and weight, though. The compacts are hellish for a beginner to shoot, and build horrible habits.

I do not recommend anything overly complex, like a 1911. Most people will never train properly in it's employment. It is a great design for someone with the experience to use it effectively, most will not develop that experience.

Of course, I wholly jump behind anyone who wishes to train up properly and use a pistol like a 1911, or anything that requires good experience. The fact of the matter, though, is you have to ask yourself one question...

Am I really going to spend all that time in training to learn this properly?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

dtl

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A lot of Glock fans out there, maybe for the price? Go Sig Sauer and spend a little more. I have a Smith and Wesson (9mm) which is alright but I definately like the Sig. I have never like the trigger with the Glocks! Also have you thought about a 380 or .40?
 

Ballah06

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dtl said:

No Squeels, SF, SAS or anyone else got shit on "Dangerous Bob", that dude is an OMNA (One Man National Asset). Dangerous Bob would roundhouse kick Paul Blart all over the mall.


I can only imagine what that shot group looks like down range, thats even if there is a target down there. Git ir done Bob, git ir done.
 

kennith

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dtl said:
A lot of Glock fans out there, maybe for the price? Go Sig Sauer and spend a little more. I have a Smith and Wesson (9mm) which is alright but I definately like the Sig. I have never like the trigger with the Glocks! Also have you thought about a 380 or .40?

The Glock and the Sig are vastly different weapons. They can't be compared upon merit alone, nor on price. A person shopping for a Glock isn't going to change his mind upon seeing the build quality of a Sig, and neither is the person shopping for the Sig going to change his mind upon examining a Glock.

Apples and oranges there.

.40 isn't as cheap as 9mm, and doesn't shoot as friendly. This means that it will be harder to learn properly, and there will be less ammunition to train with for the purposes of that learning.

In a full frame pistol like this, barring single stack magazines, you are looking at as many as 20 rounds loaded, depending on the firearm. That's with the 9mm. .40 tends to be a bit less in most pistols. Regardless, the small differences in performance are less than notable in the likely use scenarios.

You can do a .380, but ammunition is again more expensive, and not by a small amount. Where 100 rounds of 9mm for range time can cost around 18.00, 50 rounds of cheap .380 can cost upwards of 30.00. That will cut range time, and will not encourage good training.

Add to that fact that pistols chambered for .380 tend to be smaller, more compact models, and again, it is more difficult to recommend for a single gun purchase.

I personally do not like .380. I prefer.32 in a compact weapon. In full frames, I prefer 9mm, for training convenience and general performance, as well as a vast availability of different types of ammunition. Also, the reduced energy of the .380 loads may, with some cartridge-firearm combinations, encourage the action of the firearm to misbehave. Calibers like this in larger firearms whose designs were merely adapted to suit them tend to be a bit more finicky.

There are many other great calibers, but the popularity of 9mm makes it cheap to train with. It is also easy on the wrist for most people, and that combination makes it a great entry level caliber to encourage good training. Training is everything with firearms.

I am not a huge fan of Glocks, but I do own a Glock 17. I like the trigger well enough. If you treat it as a normal double action trigger, it will not feel good at all. If, however, you treat it like a two stage trigger, you will find that it isn't bad at all.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Two Cold Soakers

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Glocks can be broken, I've done it.

The mere fact that they continue to spread the indestructability BS is enough to make me stay away.
But, but , but.....

Fuck Glock.

I'd recommend a springfield XD. At least they have a safety.

I carry one Browning High Power. 1980's model, I bought it used for $435 with a shot out replacement barrel (second or third) with idiot marks all along it and skateboard tape on the pachmyr grips. Points like my finger, all metal, decent trigger (not like a 1911, but better than any plastic gun I've handled).
I have another in the safe.

A bit heavy - not a pocket pistol, and it's a single action, so it requires a holster.

If i ever need to use it as intended, it will be taken away, and there will be no love lost except for the 13 round magazine.

PS - I'd feel better carrying a lightweight small frame S&W revolver in 357, but that's out of our price range. If it ain't a carry weapon, forget everything stated up till now and get a S&W 686.
 
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gage092879

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some people need to do their homework before they start to speak. bottom line is, you buy the one that fits you best, is the best shooting for you, you can control better for follow on shots on the person, etc. if you are just looking to put a few 1000 round through it every year, there are many guns that of good quality our there. if you are going to but 70-100k through it in a year or so, there are only a few. yes all guns break. but what breaks is the better question. do your homework on the diffrent guns and see what the weak points are. then go to a range and shoot a few. then decide what is best for you. everyone can tell you what they like best and why. they are not you and if they are giving advice on it, make sure it's not bias to one brand or the other, but rather they have an open mind about things.

cheers