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2024 Toyota Land Cruiser vs. 2024 Toyota Tacoma: Twinsies, Kinda?
We put the new 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser SUV against the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma midsize truck to discover their similarities, differences, and surprises.
That Land Cruiser just looks wimpy next to the Tacoma. Must be a matter of perspective.
Toyota's new lineup is a bit odd....the Land Cruiser slots above the 4Runner and it's bigger in every dimension. The 4Runner starts at $40,155 for the base SR5 and goes up to $54,620 for the TURD Pro. The Land Cruiser starts in the "mid-$50s." If you had $55k burning a hole in your pocket, would you want the el cheapo basic Land Cruiser or the top of the line 4Runner? I wonder what they'll do with the 4Runner in 2025? They'll probably have to downgrade it a bit. Maybe give it a detuned 4-banger from the Land Cruiser?
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/02/toyota-land-cruiser-vs-toyota-4runner/
Toyota's new lineup is a bit odd....the Land Cruiser slots above the 4Runner and it's bigger in every dimension. The 4Runner starts at $40,155 for the base SR5 and goes up to $54,620 for the TURD Pro. The Land Cruiser starts in the "mid-$50s." If you had $55k burning a hole in your pocket, would you want the el cheapo basic Land Cruiser or the top of the line 4Runner? I wonder what they'll do with the 4Runner in 2025? They'll probably have to downgrade it a bit. Maybe give it a detuned 4-banger from the Land Cruiser?
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/08/02/toyota-land-cruiser-vs-toyota-4runner/
I also wonder what those 5,000 "first edition" Land Cruisers will go for. Gotta be $70K MSRP but stickered on dealer lots at $100K.
And finally, how did Toyota corporate approve the release of round headlights on 2 models and rectangular headlights on one model? I'm digging the round headlights now and the rectangular ones just look out of place.
And finally, how did Toyota corporate approve the release of round headlights on 2 models and rectangular headlights on one model? I'm digging the round headlights now and the rectangular ones just look out of place.
Yeah, $40k is ridiculously low nowadays. It pains me to say that. But then what's the point of the Cruiser if the 4Runner jumps up an octave in pricing? The serious 4Runner models have a rear locker too.
The 4Runner has always seemed like an economy (but also Toyota quality) off-roader SUV that's also a good daily driver, family SUV, etc. My buddy has a 2022 or 2023 4Runner with some nice options, I think it's the SR5. It's a nice truck but pretty basic. Seems more rental car quality than car I aspire to own. The TURD Pro isn't so much economy but it sure comes with some nice stuff and tops out in the mid-$50s. Are people going to pay $15K average more for the Cruiser series that adds a few inches in dimensions here and there? No matter what, the 4Runner's ancient engine will have to be put to rest. Toyota will have to use the same or similar 4-banger hybrid from the Cruiser. The alternative plan may be that the next 4Runner gets shit on and downgraded to stay in the current or near-current price scale.
Edit - I forgot that Toyota has a couple other little 4-cyl engines in the more basic Tacoma lines to pick from. They're gonna neuter the 4Runner.
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At the end of '22 on the Taco forum the debate was would the 4Runner or the Taco move to a new generation in 2023. Obviously it was the Taco so I assume the 4Runner will move to the 6th gen in '24. Also, when Toyota discontuined the FJ it did so with the idea the 4Runner would fill the more off-road oriented FJ's shoes. Maybe with the new generation they will push it more in that direction?
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Here's a theory: The 4 Runner gets even cheaper with an even more stripped down model than in the current SR5. So much so that if you don't have a lot of cabbage in your pocket any other 5 seat SUV just seems plain stupid. You like the 4Runner and want to trick it out fine, it tops out at 55k, then you "move up" to the Land Cruiser, which just happens to already have those lockers you paid premium for in your 55k 4 Runner and you start adding options to get you to 65k. Oh, now you want facier...OK....here's this Lexus GX 550 that just so happens to start at 65k. Or, oh, you need larger, here's this Toyota Sequoia that just so happens to start at 60k and goes all the way up to 90k if you so choose to be that baller. Oh, you need larger and have big baller money, here's this LX 600 that just happens to start at 90k and goes deep into six figure territory if you so desire.
Toyota saying "yeah, this market for 4wd sporty vehicles, let's f%$ing drop prices and take it all, from the bottom to the tippity top" seems like pretty good approach and response that would resonate really strong in today's economy. Especially when many other 4wd vehicles are just climbing so everything is out of reach for everyone just to buy the entry level one.
Toyota could have dropped the new Land Cruiser all kitted out for 75k and said take it or leave it and people would have taken it while others who would have really liked a budget model move on. Instead, they did what LR and Ineos didn't do and gave the off road community what they wanted, and even led with it at launch and didn't even share the top the line on the same day.
Kinda reminds me of how they learned to grow and take market share back in the day by knowing what customers wanted.......oh what a feelin'.
Toyota saying "yeah, this market for 4wd sporty vehicles, let's f%$ing drop prices and take it all, from the bottom to the tippity top" seems like pretty good approach and response that would resonate really strong in today's economy. Especially when many other 4wd vehicles are just climbing so everything is out of reach for everyone just to buy the entry level one.
Toyota could have dropped the new Land Cruiser all kitted out for 75k and said take it or leave it and people would have taken it while others who would have really liked a budget model move on. Instead, they did what LR and Ineos didn't do and gave the off road community what they wanted, and even led with it at launch and didn't even share the top the line on the same day.
Kinda reminds me of how they learned to grow and take market share back in the day by knowing what customers wanted.......oh what a feelin'.
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The 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser Looks Stellar. But Where Does It Leave the 4Runner?
The all-new 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser is more affordable than ever, but what does that mean for buyers looking at the next-gen 4Runner?
www.thedrive.com
True that. I'll certainly be giving the Grenadier a second, closer look. They are supposed to be out by Christmas....we'll see if they hit that mark.
Judging by Australian orders/deliveries, I’m not expecting anything before March ‘24. But that could change if Ineos prioritizes the US market. Thats actually my preferred timeline since it would mean several thousand more get built before mine.
I'd do a deep dive on aftermarket support vs the LC. Truth be told I am a bigger fan of the Frontier aesthetically than the Taco. But when you factor in all the aftermarket products available for the Taco it was a no-brainer.
The only thing I'd want on the Lexus is a better approach-angle front bumper to avoid smashing up all that plastic and a winch so I can self-recover. I'm pretty much done scrambling up giant rocks and ledges so a good set of 33" tires, my maxtrax boards, less low-hanging plastic, and a winch and I'm good. Will probably take a year or so until someone offers a bumper and that's fine.
A couple of sites have their eye on the Lexus lineup.
www.ragofabrication.com
Lexus Reveals New 2024 GX 550
Lexus has taken the automotive industry by storm with its recent reveal of the upcoming GX and all-new TX models. We want to cover some of the new details and know what you think about each model in the comments!
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