New TV's......too many to choose from

jrose609

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We just moved into a new house last weekend. My wife gave me the green light for a new TV. Only thing is, she says it needs to be a big tv with a great picture. We have a pretty good size family room/great room, and the way the front room is situated, the sofa will be atleast 13 feet from the tv.

Does anyone have any good suggestions for a tv in the 65" to 80" range? Is ULTRA HD worth the extra money? What about brands? Samsung TV's have always been good to me, but we also have a smaller Vizio in the bedroom which has given us no issues other than weird volume controls.

Thanks for any input
 

bri

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First I will post what will help narrow your decision. With more info I can post more recommendations. Here is an intro, but if you want good info to to avsforums.


Budget Range - for the TV.
Budget Range for new video devices.
Primary viewing conditions.
Primary viewing: Sports? TV? Movies? Games?
Are you familiar with various motion technologies and what it like to disable them?
Are you familiar with flashlighting?
Do you know if you want LED or Plasma?


The worst thing about buying a new TV is that none will be calibrated. They will all be setup in a manufacturer demo mode and they are in general set to about the worst possible image you can view. It will have high contrast, high brightness to compete with the others on the show floor. Noone can change this since it is the mode that they place it in for demos. Judging a TV in this mode is pointless. So the review sights are the best to go on and avsforums site is the best.


Summary.
New visio with full array would be interesting.
Sony has the best motion technology.
Samsung and LG are good LED for the money.
Unless you have about 12k or more, or can live with < 65 stay away from 4k.
Do no buy acurved screen.

There will be flashlighting and it will vary per unit. It took me 3 to get something tolerable and this was a rather highend unit (UN75H7150). Flashlighting will get worse with size, so it is something you have to live with on edgelit LED. I'd give the 75" I have an 8/10 and the 65 of same model a 9/10. You will have to see a unit in a dark room and turn off the LED backlight and highcontrast stuff to witness the flashlighting. Tough to do in many places before you purchase.

It is unlikely that flashlighting will bother you much if your primary use is sports. Sport and crazy flowers and nature look very attractive at the demo high contrast settings, but in reality are completely unrealistic.

The default settings... as above and for sports will really only work well for bright environments, even if unrealistic.

When you take the 75" and view from 10' the resolution is great and the brightness on default settings will turn your pupils to pin holes. LED backlight can be off, but I use 3/10 and cinema settings on Samsung. Then turn all the motion off -- unless you get a really nice sony.

Of course you can't do any of this in a big box place like Best Buy, but if you can buy from an A/V store so you can check everything out. This is what I did and it was as good of a deal as best buy for a current model year. If you can put up with last years tech, then you can get all kinds of deals. Some local A/V places may also have lightly used high end stuff, if you take you time.


Also 60 vs 120 vs 240 Hz. This is only as good as the systems motion processor and whether you will use 3D. If you use 3D, you need 120 Hz and 240 will benefit you for 3D. if you do not use 3D, then motion will definitely play. Crappy motion, might as well only have 60 Hz and disable it completely.


Good motion like Sony, then higher is better.


Cinema really is only 30 Hz. So anything more, means that the TV is processing the image at a higher frequency. For me the only motion system that seems fluid and enjoyable to watch is Sony. I disable motion processing on every other TV I have owned. And of course if you are gaming, this should be turned off regardless of make/model.
 
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bri

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one with the most user friendly remote control.



This is the last reason to choose a TV, IMO. But if you are unable to tell the difference or spend the time to learn just a bit about TVs, then sure, I guess.


IMO, if you are down to which has the best remote, just buy the cheapest.
 

chris snell

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Love my Samsung. I bought a 42" because that's the biggest my wife would agree to. She's not into TVs. I did some research and found a high-end LED mode that Samsung does not sell to Amazons and Best Buys. I had to go to an audio visual store to get it. But, I got a 42" with an incredible picture and the price wasn't ridiculous due to small size.
 

kennith

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I've got a lot to say on the subject, but I'm too tired to say it.

I will, however, suggest that this isn't an ideal time to purchase a new television. 4K is the hot issue at the moment in display technology, but it hasn't matured yet. An OLED has hit the market, but it's the only kid on the block. Plasma is taking a break at the moment, but rumors abound of its potential return.

Some top-tier manufacturers are filling shelves with place holders, while they perfect their second generation designs.

At least until the next round comes out of the gate, I'd consider purchasing used. You can get a hell of a deal on some, but others will cost you dearly, as people know the world won't see displays of their like again for many years.

I didn't have time to fix my own television when it failed last year. I found the exact same model on Craigslist, in better operational condition, for $400, and this isn't a cheap television. I'll fix my other one soon and make it into a fake fire place.

You've got the advantage as a buyer in the used market. Everyone wants to upgrade, and those that haven't offed their old display by now will be taking offers. At least consider used.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Ed Cheung

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This is the last reason to choose a TV, IMO. But if you are unable to tell the difference or spend the time to learn just a bit about TVs, then sure, I guess.


IMO, if you are down to which has the best remote, just buy the cheapest.

My remote from Sharp really sucks, it had 13 rolls of buttons, the number is in the upper portion( from the 3 to 6 rolls) and the very bottom is the up down left right, as a cross setup with the center having the enter button. So when u enter the channel number and need to enter. It is really uncomfortable to use, you need to move the remote forward and back on your hand in order to press the number and then press the enter at the lower portion of the remote.
Same situation with switching the input, the change input button is next to the 0, which is at the top half of the remote. So when you want to switch from TV to hdmi, you press the change input button, then at the screen, there is a pull down menu on the screen, then you need to move the remote forward so you thumb can reach the down button to select the type of input you need to use.... really annoying.

Those big brand like Sony, LG, Sharp, Panasonic, etc. If you calibrate correctly, they are all equally good, the different is the technology being use on each model, as Kennith mentioned. If you want something to last longer, and if it is a Japanese brand, pay a bit more for the model that is make in Japan, the mid price one will be properly make in Malaysia, and the cheapest one is ...we all know ....made in China. On the other side of the coin, technology change so rapidly, sometimes it seems stupid to pay more to buy a product that last 5 years, while you can spend less on one that use for 2 years and get another one with better technology in the 3rd year.
 

az_max

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You can get aftermarket all-in-one remotes, touch panels or iphone/ipad/android apps.

For me, it'd be a Samsung or LG with serial or ethernet control for home automation.
 

bri

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As I mentioned I own a samsung and if you are not into really looking for faults and stay 65" or less, they really are good and reasonably priced. Here is a picture of how bad the 75" can get. Scroll down in the thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...-official-samsung-f7100-owners-thread-10.html

Its pretty annoying in aq dark room and dark movie (common).

I've seen dead pixels on samsung and lg too. more common on larger sets.

I have setup about a half dozen 65" and also that many 75". Flashlighting is variable, unfortunately. Also set up a 65" 4k unit. Really nice and upscaling was OK. Once I have better internet, fullarray backlighting on 4k, I'll make the move. Likely a couple of years.

At present, thiis is about the best you can easily get...
http://store.sony.com/WFS/SNYUS/en_..._DKl83AHp-FQoX9YAcYTqsdlh9xTdbpTrIaAsOh8P8HAQ

I ran into a used one for 10k,, but that was WAY out of my budget.
 

kennith

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At present, thiis is about the best you can easily get...
http://store.sony.com/WFS/SNYUS/en_..._DKl83AHp-FQoX9YAcYTqsdlh9xTdbpTrIaAsOh8P8HAQ

I ran into a used one for 10k,, but that was WAY out of my budget.

I'd rather have a Panasonic TC-P65ZT60, but you'll pay neigh on $10,000 for a used one of these, as well.

Unlike the Sony, however, this was only $3,800 new.

You haven't watched a movie in a home theater until you've seen it on a ZT60. Until someone worth a damn masters OLED tech, or plasma hits the market again, it's pretty much the best of the of the best, SIR! With honors.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Mike_Rupp

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Samsung. I have 3 and just bought another 46" smart tv.
They have all been good to me.

I hate smart tvs. The smart features are a waste of money. I have a Panasonic smart tv and the user interface is so fucking slow and clunky it's not worth using.

I also have a Sony LED tv. The user interface is about ten times better than the Panasonic, but it can't stream worth shit. I swear watching YouTube on a 15 year old computer is better. I initially thought it was a bandwidth issue with Comcast but I could get Netflix to stream just fine using my DVD player and then 30 seconds later, it wouldn't stream on the TV.
 

kennith

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I hate smart tvs. The smart features are a waste of money. I have a Panasonic smart tv and the user interface is so fucking slow and clunky it's not worth using.

I also have a Sony LED tv. The user interface is about ten times better than the Panasonic, but it can't stream worth shit. I swear watching YouTube on a 15 year old computer is better. I initially thought it was a bandwidth issue with Comcast but I could get Netflix to stream just fine using my DVD player and then 30 seconds later, it wouldn't stream on the TV.

I wouldn't buy a TV based on the sensibility of its included "smart" features. I don't even bother looking at that crap. It's just not important, considering nearly everyone is going to plug something else into it.

Get a HTPC or an Xbox ONE for that stuff. No television on the market can come even close to the capabilities, speed, and convenience. Hell, the Xbox can even control your cable box if you have a Kinect.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

bri

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I hate smart tvs. The smart features are a waste of money. I have a Panasonic smart tv and the user interface is so fucking slow and clunky it's not worth using.

I also have a Sony LED tv. The user interface is about ten times better than the Panasonic, but it can't stream worth shit. I swear watching YouTube on a 15 year old computer is better. I initially thought it was a bandwidth issue with Comcast but I could get Netflix to stream just fine using my DVD player and then 30 seconds later, it wouldn't stream on the TV.


I agree. My samsung doesn't do as well as my sony BRD
 

mike97d1

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I hate smart tvs. The smart features are a waste of money. I have a Panasonic smart tv and the user interface is so fucking slow and clunky it's not worth using.

I also have a Sony LED tv. The user interface is about ten times better than the Panasonic, but it can't stream worth shit. I swear watching YouTube on a 15 year old computer is better. I initially thought it was a bandwidth issue with Comcast but I could get Netflix to stream just fine using my DVD player and then 30 seconds later, it wouldn't stream on the TV.


The Samsung I have is great for what we do with it. Mostly Netflix, occasionally youtube, stuff like that. I haven't had any issues streaming to the tv.
 

Mike_Rupp

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I wouldn't buy a TV based on the sensibility of its included "smart" features. I don't even bother looking at that crap. It's just not important, considering nearly everyone is going to plug something else into it.

Get a HTPC or an Xbox ONE for that stuff. No television on the market can come even close to the capabilities, speed, and convenience. Hell, the Xbox can even control your cable box if you have a Kinect.

Cheers,

Kennith

Trust me, I didn't buy my TVs based on the smart features. I bought the Panasonic Plasma purely based on the picture. While my Sony LED is nice, it just doesn't compare to the plasma when playing a blu ray.