NY Gov. Elliot Spitzer (D) Pimp!

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Eliot Spitzer Vows To Crack Down On Excess Prostitute Pay
Dealbreaker

Discovering that the exclusive international ring of prostitutes known as the "Emperor's Club" charged up to $5,500 an hour for their services, New York governor Eliot Spitzer vowed to put an end to this price gouging practice. . . . .


"That kind of excessive compensation is simply outrageous. Prostitution is allegedly a victimless crime,” Spitzer said in a press conference that took place only in our imaginations. “But now we see that its customers can become its victims.” . . .​


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This truly is the height of hubris....

BTW, it looks like it was the IRS that first fingered him. First Capone, now Spitzer. Lesson: Don't F*&$ with the IRS....
 

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Local news reports the Lt. Gov. is in his car on the way to the Capitol, looks like it is over for SpitzerSwallows.
 

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RBBailey said:
Too many hookers aren't consenting, that's why it is illegal. Otherwise, I would say the govt should stay out of it.
Ben, you keep harping on this.
Why?
What is it about "consenting adult" that you don't understand? I've never met a single person who thinks slavery should be legal, or that sex with minors should be legal.

Or are you of the mind that driving should be illegal for everyone, since many underage people take part in it? That fits with your logic. As do countless other things that adults do.

Here, these should help you:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consenting
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adult
As it pertains to prostitution:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consenting%20adult
 
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Except for the fact that he was involved in prosecuting prostitues (which makes him a hypocrite) I couldn't care less. And this story "grips the nation"? :ack:
A sad state of affairs indeed. (no pun intended)
 

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antichrist said:
Except for the fact that he was involved in prosecuting prostitues (which makes him a hypocrite) I couldn't care less. And this story "grips the nation"? :ack:
A sad state of affairs indeed. (no pun intended)

I think what is driving this story more than the "dirty deed" is his hypocracy. As the old saying goes, "If you live in a glass house don't throw stones".

Here are some terms you might want to mull over:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania
 

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For $5000 per hour, I'd let him do me.
As far as prostitution being illegal, I'm of the mind that what takes place between consenting ADULTS is nobody's business but their own.


I love the fake morality of the media and politicians. Its ok to have late term abortion but don't screw a hooker
 

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I think what is driving this story more than the "dirty deed" is his hypocracy. As the old saying goes, "If you live in a glass house don't throw stones".
Oh, I agree about the hypocracy (like I said). No argument there. But on the other hand, people being shocked that a politician is a hypocrite? Give me a break.
But I also agree 100% that if they are, they should be booted out if they refuse to resign.

However, if you read the news stories, the focus is on the fact that he went to prostitutes, with some, but little mention that he is a hypocrite. If the big deal was that he was a hypocrite that would be the headline.
 

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Effective Monday?! WTF?

FWIW it wasn't just about prostitution nor hypocrisy. He subjected himself to potential blackmail by engaging in these activities-also he laundered $ in order to pay for this.

1590 on his SATs$$$$$- A perfect LSAT score$$$$$$$- Law degree from Harvard$$$$$$$$. Busted because you followed your little head? Priceless...

Foes of Sex Trade Are Stung by the Fall of an Ally
By NINA BERNSTEIN

As New York?s attorney general, Eliot Spitzer had broken up prostitution rings before, but this 2004 case took on a special urgency for him. Prosecuting an international sex tourism business based in Queens, he listened to the entreaties of women?s advocates long frustrated by state laws that fell short of dealing with a sex trade expanding rapidly across borders.

And with his typical zeal, he embraced their push for new legislation, including a novel idea at its heart: Go after the men who seek out prostitutes.

It was a question of supply and demand, they all agreed. And one effective way to suppress the demand was to raise the penalties for patronizing a prostitute. In his first months as governor last year, Mr. Spitzer signed the bill into law.

Now the human rights groups, which credit him with what they call the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation, are in shock. Mr. Spitzer stands accused of being one of the very men his law was designed to catch and punish.

?It leaves those of us who worked with his office absolutely feeling betrayed,? said Dorchen Leidholdt, director of Sanctuary for Families Legal Services, one of the leaders of the coalition that drafted the legislation.

The law, which went into effect Nov. 1, mainly deals with redefining and prosecuting forms of human trafficking, which Governor Spitzer called ?modern-day slavery.? It offers help to the women who are victims of the practice, rather than treating them as participants in crime.

But it also lays the groundwork for a more aggressive crackdown on demand, by increasing the penalty for patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor, to up to a year in jail, from a maximum of three months.

That was a key shift in approach for New York State, and one the governor and his top aides seemed to support wholeheartedly, said Ken Franzblau, now director of the law?s implementation at the State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Generally, the law and its enforcers focus on pimps and prostitutes, and treat customers as an afterthought.

?If you eliminate the demand, you eliminate the problem,? said Mr. Franzblau, who worked for years with Equality Now, a women?s advocacy and human rights group that had long urged prosecution of the Queens sex tourism business operating as Big Apple Oriental Tours.

?In fact, the demand is really the lower-hanging fruit,? he added. ?The johns are really afraid of being caught. The idea is that if we get some real penalties, and get D.A.?s to insist on them, we really could create a deterrent to this.?

For Equality Now, and a core of high-profile supporters that included Gloria Steinem and Representative Carolyn B. Maloney, the Big Apple Oriental Tours case was a frustrated seven-year campaign for prosecution that became a turning point. Even after Mr. Franzblau posed as a would-be customer, gathering what was described as ?smoking-gun evidence,? the Queens district attorney, Richard A. Brown, declined to prosecute.

Mr. Brown maintained that under state law he had no legal jurisdiction over acts of prostitution that took place in Thailand and in the Philippines, even if those acts were being promoted by a travel business operated in New York.

Mr. Spitzer disagreed. Newly re-elected as attorney general, he began an investigation, slapped the business with a civil action that shut down its Web site, and in February 2004, won a grand jury indictment of the two operators in Dutchess County, where they lived. He proclaimed it the first criminal charge against a sex tourism business based in the United States.

But the case stalled, and despite another indictment in 2005, it has yet to reach trial.

Efforts to clarify and overhaul New York?s penal code on prostitution and human trafficking seemed stuck in legislative gridlock.

?We had tremendous difficulty trying to get this law passed, year after year,? said Taina Bien-Aim?, executive director of Equality Now. ?Our only hope was for Eliot Spitzer to be elected governor.?

?He understood,? she added. ?He got it, unlike hundreds of other politicians and law enforcement officials that we talked to.?

She and Ms. Leidholdt said the governor put his muscle behind the legislation, detailing top aides to work with sponsors of piecemeal bills that had languished, to consult with a coalition of human rights and women?s groups, and to lobby labor unions whose support was won through provisions addressing the trafficking and exploitation of workers.

Peter Pope, one of Mr. Spitzer?s point people on the bill, declined to comment through the governor?s press secretary, Errol Cockfield.

The law explicitly made sex tourism and its promotion a crime, resolving the jurisdictional debate that had mired the Big Apple prosecution for so long. But more important, Ms. Bien-Aim? said, it demonstrated a comprehensive approach to the larger issues.

?One of the goals of the human trafficking law was the acknowledgment that demand is a critical factor in sex trafficking,? she said. ?And as a result of that, it increased the penalties for patronizing a prostitute across the board, whether or not the person is trafficked.?

Too often, Ms. Bien-Aim? maintained, the public imagines a huge divide between the kind of glamorous call girl depicted in a movie like ?Pretty Woman,? and the lurid, violent world of trafficked women in a film like ?Eastern Promises.? But they are all part of a commercial sex industry that buys women?s bodies, she said, citing studies that put the average age of entry into prostitution in the United States at 14.

?There?s no sliding scale in the exploitation of women,? she said. ?Either you exploit a woman in the commercial sex trade or you don?t.?

Because Mr. Spitzer seemed to agree, she said, ?he was our hero.?

So Spitzer has potentially committed at least two felonies. We aren't talking about just 1 misdomeanor prostitution charge in Washington D.C.


1. The first is called structuring. The whole prostitution ring was brought down because a FBI unit that tracks governmental officials for anti-corruption purposes found suspicious transactions designed to disguise money movements. This was Spitzer paying his hookers, and he did it in a way he thought would not raise suspicion but did the opposite. Structuring to avoid bank anti-money laundering rules is a felony. (The whole bust investigation was actually aimed at Spitzer, not the hookers.)

2. The second was a violation of the Mann Act. Write up borrowed here:


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Did Gov. Spitzer Violate the Mann Act?

New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's alleged involvement with a prostitution ring could have dire legal ramifications for him.

That's because if he did, indeed, help arrange for a high-end hooker to travel down to Washington from New York, he may have violated the Mann Act, according to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

The 1910 law "prohibited interstate transportation of women for immoral purposes,? .

CREW was quick to issue a release this afternoon noting how Spitzer's conduct may land him in trouble with the Feds.

"Given the reports that New York Governor Eliot Spitzer was heard on a wiretap arranging for a prostitute to travel from New York to Washington to meet in his hotel room, it appears that he has violated the Mann Act," the statement said. "This federal law carries a penalty of up to 20 years imprisonment for knowingly persuading or inducing any individual to cross state lines for the purposes of prostitution."

The group's executive director, Melanie Sloan, added for good measure: "It is completely unacceptable for any government official ? much less one who has held himself up as a paragon of virtue ? to engage in criminal conduct. Governor Spitzer?s behavior is reprehensible. The citizens of New York deserve better."

washingtonbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/03/did-gov-spitzer-violate-mann-act.html

Anyone catch former NYC Mayor Ed Koch? :rofl:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/11/koch-spitzer-has-a-screw-loose/

"I think there's a screw loose," says Koch. "I believe that his behavior, beginning with his becoming governor, has been irrational. And, what he did is to indicate that he doesn't play by the regular rules, that regular rules don't apply," Koch adds."
 
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Except for the fact that he was involved in prosecuting prostitues (which makes him a hypocrite) I couldn't care less. And this story "grips the nation"? :ack:
A sad state of affairs indeed. (no pun intended)

Quite....now before someone gets their knickers in a twist about changing the subject or hijacking the thread, the ultimate hypocrisy is that there are far more important current events that affect the entire nation, such as the sudden 'resignation' of Admiral William Fallon, commander of Central Command, the group that is in charge of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan - and potentially, Iran. Fallon had rankled senior Bush administration officials by emphasizing diplomacy over armed conflict with regard to Iran. Such heresy! He was ordered to fall on his sword, and being the loyal soldier that he is, he did. Fallon said "Recent press reports suggesting a disconnect between my views and the president's policy objectives have become a distraction...."

While SecDef Gates praised Fallon at a press briefing announcing his retirement, saying Fallon was one of the most brilliant strategists in the military - having a "25,000 foot view" of things, a written statement from Bush on the subject was pale by comparison to the praise heaped on other administration officials - ones that resigned in disgrace.

A recent Esquire article on Fallon written by P. M. Barnett - a military analyst - was titled "The Man Between War and Peace." Fallon was quoted by al-Jazeera (heretic!....*burn him*!) last fall in which he said that the "constant drumbeat of conflict" from Washington directed at Iran "was not helpful and not useful."

"I expect that there will be no war, and that is what we ought to be working for. We ought to do our utmost to create different conditions." Sounds eminently logical and rational, but then this is an administration that has always prided loyalty over competence, knowledge, or experience. Just "go with my gut" as Bush is fond of saying....

The Barnett article began with this chilling rejoinder: "If, in the dying light of the Bush administration, we go to war with Iran, it'll all come down to one man. If we do not go to war with Iran, it'll come down to that same man."

No wonder Bush & Co wants him out - ASAP.... :ack:

On the Senate floor yesterday, Sen. Jim Webb alluded to reports of Fallon's disagreement with the administration's mid-east policies: "This administration is not an administration that has tolerated dissent or been willing to seek advice from our military leaders." Virginia's senior Senator, John Warner, called Fallon "an extraordinarily competent, professional naval officer." (No wonder they want him out....) "Admiral Fallon always put the interests of the country first."

And there it is in a nut shell - someone who put the interests of the nation first...and was asked to resign for it. To bad Bush has never done that....

I don't care if the governor of New York is getting his knob polished after hours. This should only be a matter of concern for his wife - or his constituents if public funds were being used to finance his trysts. Considering the notoriously-short attention span of the average American, Spitzer's affairs should deflect the public's attention as we merrily roll down the road to Tehran and the economy collapses....
 

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Yorker said:
FWIW it wasn't just about prostitution nor hypocrisy. He subjected himself to potential blackmail by engaging in these activities
Of course it was about prostitution. But if prostitution were legal he couldn't be blackmailed, well..it's less likely anyway
-also he laundered $ in order to pay for this.
That's a serious charge and obviously he should go to jail if he embezzled money to pay for it. However, I don't think he should go to jail for screwing hookers since I don't think that should be illegal.
And obviously booted out of office for being a hypocrite.
 

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antichrist said:
However, I don't think he should go to jail for screwing hookers since I don't think that should be illegal.
And obviously booted out of office for being a hypocrite.


It really doesn't matter if you think it should be legal or not- it IS illegal and by using this prostitution ring he supported the efforts of an illegal criminal organization with his $. Not only while he was governor but apparently when he was the attorney general ostensibly tasked with the prosecution of the very same crime he was perpetuating.

There are plenty of things I don't think should be illegal yet they are- and I'll go to jail if I own or partake in them. Spitzer shouldn't be able to simply exchange his public office for his transgressions- it is something neither you nor I can do.



And sure- there are more important things going on in the world right now- this is destined to just be a footnote in history. But this was a man who felt he was destined to be president. He had a gilded road through life and many thought he'd be the next FDR... Depending what side of the issue you are on the nation either dodged a big one with Spitzer's downfall or lost a great opportunity.


Spitzer stands by "steamroller" boast

By Daniel Trotta | January 31, 2007

NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer was unabashed on Wednesday about declaring himself a "steamroller" and the most accomplished governor in the history of the state after three weeks on the job.

"I am a fucking steamroller and I'll roll over you or anybody else," the Democratic governor told Republican Assemblyman James Tedisco in a private conversation last week, the New York Post reported on Wednesday.

"I've done more in three weeks than any governor has done in the history of the state," Spitzer also said, the Post reported.

Asked at a news conference if the comments were inappropriately boastful, Spitzer replied tersely, "No. Next question."

Former New York governors include DeWitt Clinton, who built the Erie Canal in the 1820s, connecting New York to the interior of the United States and cementing New York City's position as a powerhouse of international trade.

Four former governors went on to become president including Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose social welfare programs for the state provided a model for the New Deal when he later entered the White House.

"Most of those things take longer. At that rate we should be in heaven in four weeks, but he (Spitzer) might not get in for lack of modesty," said former Gov. Mario Cuomo, who added that he did not consider the matter serious and did not expect it to hurt Spitzer politically.

"Some people will like it as a show of self-confidence. Others will not like it as a show of boastfulness. I take it as a sign of self-confidence," Cuomo told Reuters.

Spitzer was elected governor with nearly 70 percent of the vote in November following a stint as state attorney general noted for high-profile investigations into Wall Street.

A spokeswoman for Spitzer declined to comment when asked to confirm the conversation.

Tedisco told reporters in the state capital of Albany that "we had a bit of steamy conversation" but he would not reveal details.

"He's a guy who likes to play it tough sometimes, and I don't mind that," Tedisco said. "And I've heard the F-word before."
:yawn:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBss945ejiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iODAaCliwZU
 
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apg said:
Quite....now before someone gets their knickers in a twist about changing the subject or hijacking the thread, the ultimate hypocrisy is that there are far more important current events that affect the entire nation, such as the sudden 'resignation' of Admiral William Fallon, commander of Central Command, the group that is in charge of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan - and potentially, Iran. Fallon had rankled senior Bush administration officials by emphasizing diplomacy over armed conflict with regard to Iran. Such heresy! . . . .




:rofl: BDS



Back to Spitz . . . prostitution may be the headline but for many he is a primary example of abuse of office.

From Maggie's Farm

This guy is an angry, ruthless man who used the law to crush people for his personal political advantage, dropping charges after the headlines faded, and eradicating billions of shareholder value (mostly pension fund) from the companies he assaulted. It seems his aggression was somehow sexually inspiring (wrong word) to him, that he sought a sexual outlet for his violent inner self. Scary man!​

The Spitzer Files - WSJ


Or Spitzer's Real Scandal
The New York Megaphone

“Eliot Spitzer is like the good-looking bouncer in a bar, who is secretly dealing drugs,”​
 

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Yorker said:
It really doesn't matter if you think it should be legal or not- it IS illegal
Actually is does, at least it would if I were sitting on a Jury for someone charged with engaging in prostitution. It's called jury nullification.
There are plenty of things I don't think should be illegal yet they are- and I'll go to jail if I own or partake in them.
Of course, that's an assumed risk.
Spitzer shouldn't be able to simply exchange his public office for his transgressions- it is something neither you nor I can do.
I never said he should be able to. I said he should leave office for being a hypocrite, which isn't a crime. And go to jail if he's been embezzeling or other things like that.[/quote]
 

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I just feel sorry for his wife and daughters. . . .

Daughters yes. Not sure about the wife. Last year she was "suffering from the stresses of Albany politics". Today she is urging him to "stay on". This conflicting position is after 10 years of him using prostitutes.

Mmmmm . . . . she sounds like Hillary. Knows what is going on but loves the stage. Maybe Silda can be Hillary's VP!