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Eric N.

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Bannon88 said:
He's not real, he is just a fad that will fade. Did anyone see his ghetto ass wife introduce him at the Democratic National Convention? "Here he is, Illinois Senator, my huzzzbin, my baby's Daddy, Barrack Obama." Yeah, the US really needs hip hop flava in politics.


Funny you mention that... Having seen his senate office staff and some of the folks that come to see him at that office on a few occasions (plus many, many, many, stories from the folks that work near his office) you'd think it was some ghetto street corner downtown with a bunch of crack slingers hangin out in the hood.. His wife is a freaking Rhodes scholar compared to these people.. I don't think that the White House needs to be referred to as the "Crib" or the "hizzousse" by our president nor do I think the limo would look nice with a set of 22 inch dubs and hydraulics bouncing down pen ave.

Ya, his staff is that bad and I would hate to see who he'd hire for white house staff..
 
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Bannon88

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Eric N. said:
Funny you mention that... Having seen his senate office staff and some of the folks that come to see him at that office on a few occasions (plus many, many, many, stories from the folks that work near his office) you'd think it was some ghetto street corner downtown with a bunch of crack slingers hangin out in the hood.. His wife is a freaking Rhodes scholar compared to these people.. I don't think that the White House needs to be referred to as the "Crib" or the "hizzousse" by our president nor do I think the limo would look nice with a set of 22 inch dubs and hydraulics bouncing down pen ave.

Ya, his staff is that bad and I would hate to see who he'd hire for white house staff..


It would stay the White House for long, hell items from the White House would most certainly end up on the "Black Market".
 

Uncle Roger

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MarkP said:
So you are saying that the current conflict is a religious war? And that Bush started it?

Um, no, not really. One could certainly argue that the *conflict* is a religious one, but I would argue that this is a *business* war, not a religious one. And yes, I would agree that Bush started it.

However, I wasn't thinking specifically of the war in Iraq when I wrote that.
 

racerwad

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MarkP said:
In general, a person's religious background should not be a factor...That said, if you look at Christian states and Islamic states, which ones actually implement the concept of separation of church and state? In fact name one Islamic state. Separation of church and state in counter to Islamic law.

Now from what I have read he was educated in Sunni madrassas in Hawaii and Indonesia from an early age up until high school. Specifically Wahhabism.

A little too close for comfort given the world today.

AFAIK, the separation of church and state is a western notion, most specfically demonstrated by our own form of government. you still didn't answer my question; maybe it was too implicit: are christians the only ones qualified to run our country in a manner that upholds our constitution and serves our national interest?

MarkP said:
In general, a person's religious background should not be a factor. That is if the separation of church and state is upheld.

intially, your answer seems to be "no." but then you said this about obama's muslim heritage:

MarkP said:
A little too close for comfort given the world today.

so, apparently, it isn't ok.

Jake said:
I hate to say it, but this is a war between Islam and western civilization and to a great extent, Christianity.

huntington said as much and he outlined the future source(s) of conflict in "The Clash of Civilizations." i wholeheartedly agree.

as for the latent prejudice in this thread:

Bannon88 said:
hell items from the White House would most certainly end up on the "Black Market".

andy
 

apg

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racerwad said:
AFAIK, the separation of church and state is a western notion, most specfically demonstrated by our own form of government..

Indeed. Specifically, it is the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, a document penned by Thomas Jefferson in 1787. Our Constitution, written a few months later, is based upon its concepts. The Virginia law emphasized not freedom OF religion, but freedom FROM religion.

Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness....

ol' TJ cetainly got that right....

that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:

...on the money, again, TJ. But then every time I look, Alberto Gonzales and the others in Bush's cabal are trying to revoke these rights.
 
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I think I just got an e-mail from Obama. He wanted to buy my Rover for $25,000.00 via a cashiers check. But, I would need to give him $10,000.00 back and I could keep $15,000.00. After I mail him back the 10k, he will send someone to pick-up the truck so I do not have to ship it. Sounds like a good deal to me.
 

MarkP

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Uncle Roger said:
.. . . . I would argue that this is a *business* war, not a religious one. And yes, I would agree that Bush started it.

However, I wasn't thinking specifically of the war in Iraq when I wrote that.


You really believe the current conflict started in 2001?

Never mind - San Francisco says it all.
 

apg

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D Chapman said:
That software is the cats ass. In fact, I was just trading a few e-mails with Tom Adams, the CEO, two weeks ago. Their annual Christmas parties are fun, too!

Arabic is a challenging language. Something like 28 or 29 characters, each which can be pronounced as any of three vowels or one consonant. Diacritical marks - used when you are just learning - aren't used in classic script. For instance, depending upon just how you pronounce it, "jahmel" can mean a pretty woman, a mountain - or a camel. :p

Wonder if the state department knows about this? Of the thousand employed at the American embassy in Baghdad, a grand total of six are fluent in Arabic, but that's what you get when you hire twenty-somethings off the Heritage Group web pages.
 

apg

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MarkP said:
That said, if you look at Christian states and Islamic states, which ones actually implement the concept of separation of church and state? In fact name one Islamic state. Separation of church and state in counter to Islamic law.

Tunisia. Where I was in the Peace Corps years ago, so I'm speaking from personal experience. They had universal women's suffrage as well as education, a thriving beer and wine industry, and none of that burqa (veil) nonsense.
 

racerwad

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Bannon88 said:
Dude,


Thanks for noticing!:patriot:

and thanks for being honest! seriously. a salute to you: :patriot:

While we're waiting on a new Preisdent and/or the country to wake up and f being PC, I recommend the following lite reading:

http://www.rosettastone.com/en/indiv...anguages/farsi

http://www.rosettastone.com/en/indiv...nguages/arabic

i hope you are aware of the difference between both the languages and people who speak them. two totally different groups.

MarkP said:
Obama's UCC church looks like a black version of the KKK

care to elaborate on that? here's a link to the UCC and their http://www.ucc.org/aboutus/index.html page and, to keep it modern, the wiki entry on the UCC. here is a link to trinity united church of christ. mark, do you read anything that isn't totally off the wall?

andy
 

MarkP

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racerwad said:
mark, do you read anything that isn't totally off the wall?

About

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the White Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
Commitment to God
Commitment to the White Community
Commitment to the White Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the White Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.​

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO Confederate States of America.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF WHITE PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC SUPERIORITY.​

So, what do you think?
 

Leslie

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MarkP said:
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"


What the heck does that mean?? To aspire to not leave public housing?? Or, to go the other way, and try to all become billionaires??


:confused:
 

racerwad

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leslie-

i was wondering the same thing. other commentators (both professional and otherwise) have also wondered. maybe it means moving away from the pursuit of material things? who knows. i didn't write them and they don't make sense to me in their specific context.


markp-

very clever. unfortunately, a blogger (one that your probably read) already posted that here. i agree, however, that when taken in a different context, the above list becomes racially dividing rhetoric. however, the difference between the two is the position that the respective groups they represent hold. whites have long been in positions of power. blacks have historically been in positions of subjugation. while jim crow is dead, he died within the lifetime of many who are still alive today.

everyone is prejudiced. everyone acts on the preconcieved notions they have of others. racism however is when those notions are institutionalized. this ablility isn't the sole domain of whites but in the context of US history, the position of whites in society have allowed that institutionalization. this is the difference between what the TUCC says about themselves in their about page and that the KKK believes. i asked you to clarify your justification for how the TUCC is the "black version" of the KKK and you've so far come up short. if by "black version" you mean in rhetoric but not actual influence, you might have an arguement. as far as i can tell though, the TUCC is not involved in any sort of militant action, nor are they strong supporters of nativism, as the KKK are.

relax. the world is probably crazier than either one of us could imagine.

andy
 

MarkP

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Well that didn't take long . . . . . :rofl:

Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background
Insight Magazine ^ | 1/17/2007

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not. . . .​

The long knives come out