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vray

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MarkP said:
Time for the Democrat Party to look in the mirror. The problem isn't Bush, it is the person in the mirror.

Seems like the one thing most people can actually agree on, is that "the problem" is indeed Bush. How we fix it after he is done, well, that is the question.
 

jim-00-4.6

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vray said:
:rofl: The poor downtrodden white race. I'll bet this idiot would not trade skin colors for anything. And I won't even go into the faulty facts cited, because being fact free is part of a decent smear job.
Your post, #476.
Referring to the "faulty facts" in the piece Mark posted.
What are the faulty facts?
 

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jim-00-4.6 said:
Your post, #476.
Referring to the "faulty facts" in the piece Mark posted.
What are the faulty facts?

See my post #272, he fails to address any of my questions about Obama comments he posted as well.


Bannon88 said:
Vray,

I take it back I can not find any nuthugging. So I'm sorry. However I found several references to Obama's platform, which you defend, but refused to list as to why you liked it so much to align yourself with it.

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Obama doesn't have blind support, he has a solid message which he articulates extremely well. He pulled me off the fence. You don't beat the democratic machine and get to where he is with nothing. But he's a democrat, so you could never give him a fair shake, eh?

And that solid message is?

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Originally Posted by vray
I have listened to 2 speeches by Obama, and in both cases, he illustrated quite clearly what change he wants. You either haven't heard him, or you are not listening.

After listening to these two speeches you were asked.

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Originally Posted by RBBailey
By the way, could we please have a list of things that Obama has done from some of the Obama supporters? I can't seem to find anything.

And so eloquently replied.

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Originally Posted by vray
Get one of your kids to show how to use "the google".

Asked again about why this platform is so good for you and America, you replied.

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Originally Posted by vray
Well, if you were genuinely interested in Obama, his platform and accomplishments, you could find out. But it appears more you want someone to post so you can start back on the commie/socialist smears and trash him. So no, I am not biting. Anyhow, you are not voting for Obama, you'll vote good old christian family values and vote for the guy who traded in his old wife for a new version, and banged a lobbyist or two.

Classic cop out, you really don't like Obama, you just want change. You may have heard two speeches, but clearly didn't really identify with either of them, or you would have been able to list at least one point you relate to.

Then later spit back up the same rhetoric, but jumbled the phases around a bit. You truly are a Dem, though. When asked some more probing questions, you just duck, dodge, and dive around.

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Because conservatives make grandiose claims, and end up doing the above, and worse... and above all, doing it incompetently. So yeah, change from corrupt, incompetent, lying repubs is needed. It is hard to see how anyone could be worse. Just to be clear, Obama's positions are well laid out if you would take the time to look. So repeatedly saying that no-one knows Obama's positions is false. It's just a repub talking point, and a smear. But smearing is the only way repubs are going to win this thing, no doubt, because McCain is a seriously weak candidate.


So you might want to answer why do you like Obama and his platform so much, just to keep from looking like a nuthugger.



Just another uninformed yet vocal Dumb-O-Crap.
 
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Who are the Democrats who don't cling to guns and religion? Follow the money . . .

Who Gives to Dems?

Pundits have feasted on Barack Obama’s recent musing that Pennsylvania’s rural citizens “cling” to their religion and guns out of embittered economic desperation. Thus far, they have focused on whether Obama is an elitist who views religion as a crutch and whose copy of the Constitution somehow lacks the Second Amendment.

More important, though, is whether Obama’s remarks reflect the emerging demographic transformation of the Democratic party from a bottom-up “party of the people” into a holding pen for all sorts of economic and educational elites. One way to test this is to look at who has been making presidential campaign contributions during the 2008 election cycle. Thanks to the way the Federal Election Commission collects this data, we can sort contributions according to a donor’s occupation or employer.​

So follow the money . . . who support the Democrat Party?

Through May 1, the Democratic presidential field has suctioned up a cool $5.7 million from the more than 4,000 donors who list their occupation as “CEO.” The Republicans’ take was only $2.3 million. Chief financial officers, general counsels, directors, and chief information officers also break the Democrats’ way by more than two-to-one margins. . . . And this isn’t new: In 2004 all but one of these categories of top corporate officers broke just as dramatically for the Democrats, the “presidents” being the exception.​

Wall Street firms, long a symbol of American elite accomplishment, also tilt decisively toward the Democrats. Employees in storied Wall Street institutions such as Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley have all favored the Democratic field by a large margin. Even both sides of the recent Bear Stearns/JP Morgan Chase deal choose Democratic candidates over Republicans by two-to-one margins. . . .​

Not surprisingly, universities offer Democrats a hotbed of support. Professors favor Democrats over Republicans by a nine-to-one margin ($3.7 million to $430,000).​

The “objective” media — reporters, journalists, publishers and editors — also breaks heavily for the Democrats.​

But no listed occupation gives the Democrats a greater edge than the unemployed. These presumably idle folks have dropped over $14.6 million into the laps of the Democrats. Their idle Republican neighbors, in contrast, have unburdened themselves of a mere $9,775.​

So who favors the Republicans?

. . . The white-shirt/red-tie brigade of Republican presidential aspirants holds a nearly three-to-one edge among janitors, custodians, cleaners, sanitation workers, factory workers, truckers, bus drivers, barbers, security guards, and secretaries. While Democrats command the financial loyalty of architects, Republicans successfully woo contributions from the skilled craftsmen who turn their blueprints into reality — specifically, contractors, hardhats, plumbers, stonemasons, electricians, carpenters mechanics, and roofers. This trend extends to the saloons, where the Democrats carry the bartenders and the Republicans the waitresses. The GOP field even secures more financial support from teamsters, steelworkers, bricklayers, and autoworkers. . . . .​


The party of slavery, segregation, identify politics, socialist, . . . . and the party of elites.

Obama does fit in well. So does the super-delegate scheme where elites decide the nominee, not the Democrat voters.
 
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Vote republican, because after all not everyone can live on welfare.
 

MarkP

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Well at least the guy is honest about how the Democrats decide who the nominee is . . .

DNC Superdelegate Puts His Vote Up For Sale
cbs13.com/local/Superdelegate.Vote.Ybarra.2.718616.html ^ | 05/07/2008 | Tzuriel

DNC Superdelegate Puts His Vote Up For Sale Steven Ybarra Wants $20 Million For His Vote SACRAMENTO, Calif. (CBS13) ― In this tight battle for the Democratic nomination we've heard a lot about the candidates courting superdelegates.

But, one superdelegate is courting the candidates. He says he'll sell his vote for a price. A very high price: $20 million.

Steven Ybarra of Sacramento says that eight-figure price is peanuts for the presidency. . . .​



From February Superdelegates get campaign cash

. . . Obama's political action committee has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates since 2005, the study found, and of the 81 who had announced their support for Obama, 34 had received donations totaling $228,000. . . .​



Ybarra should auction his vote on ebay. :D
 

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:rofl:

Barack Obama sacks adviser over talks with Hamas
Times Online ^
May 10, 2008

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed today that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas - prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times he had regularly been in contact with Hamas, . . .


But Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly, saying: "Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future."​


Ah, . . . . . just a few months ago . . . .


January 23, 2008
Barack Obama's Middle East Expert

. . . One of his advisors in particular, Robert Malley, clearly warrants attention, as does the reasoning that led him to being chosen by Barack Obama. . . .



Question remain

Why would Barack Obama have on his foreign policy staff a man who has been widely criticized for a revisionist history of the Middle East peace process sharply at odds with all other accounts of the proceedings?

Why would Barack Obama give credibility to a man who seems to have an agenda that includes empowering our enemies and weakening our friends and allies?

How did Robert Malley, with a record of writing that reveals a willingness to twist facts to serve a political agenda, come to be appointed by Obama to his foreign staff?

Was it a recommendation of Zbigniew Brzezinski to bring on board another anti-Israel foreign policy expert?

What role did the left-wing anti-Israel activist George Soros play in placing Robert Malley (or for that matter, Brzezinski himself) in a position to influence the future foreign policy of America?

What does it say about Senator Obama's judgment that he appointed a man like Malley to be a top foreign policy advisor?​




There is that sticky issue again - judgement.

Wright
Malley
. . . .


who else close to Obama will become inconvenient?
 

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vray said:
Seems like the one thing most people can actually agree on, is that "the problem" is indeed Bush. How we fix it after he is done, well, that is the question.

Yes and no. I'm not sure blaming the man gets to the meat of the issue. In other words, is it Bush, or is it the Neo-Con (Liberal) policies he has enacted?

For instance, in what ways do you see Bush's policies being the problem? (This being a bad way to go about it, since no one is voting for Bush this time around, but it's a round about way to get to the issue of who is going to do what next.)
 

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Well RB I actually got to meet Obama yesterday. Should have a photo to post soon. It was interesting listening to his town hall meeting
 

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He is a very good speaker, makes his plans sound like EVERYONE should jump on board. No joke, I actually like the guy for his stage presence, the fact that he seems respectable, and I actually hope he is telling the truth and that his vague/broad statements about, "Change in Washington" are the type of change that brings us back to the Constitution.

I have a feeling that when the general elections start there will be a lot of backlash against people like me in my profession -- we already have teachers giving credit for writing about him or for going to his rallies; several are holding Obama parties at their houses where they hand out invitations at school in front of the kids, and put them in my mail box; they make general statements about how it would be, "inconceivable to not vote for someone like him," and of course my union is already near... well... let's just say the excitement is building in the old NEA to a fever pitch -- my junk mail at my home is about 30% Obama support literature; information I am supposed to disseminate to my neighbors and friends and family -- and they will soon show up at my room at work and give me their nice little not-so-anonymous surveys on my political standings; and they will no doubt ask me how it's all going with the spreading the word and pounding the sidewalk they want me to do.

1. How often do you volunteer your time to the Political Action Committee in the NEA? (Something like that... serious! They actually ask this stuff.)
2. How well do you feel you understand the message the PAC is attempting to spread during this important political year? (And that's not far off either.)
3. How can we help you understand better? Re-education camp? (OK, so I made that one up.)

I pretty much ignore it so I won't have to do it. But I'll see if I can get a hold of one to bring home if they do it again next year like they did during the last election.

Technically, they can't do anything to me, but I do rely on the NEA for a job -- I am required to pay my dues which they use for all of this stuff, and I am required to be a member to have a teaching license. It has always reminded me of something, but I can never quite put my finger on it... hummmmmmm...
 
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jim-00-4.6

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RBBailey said:
It has always reminded me of something, but I can never quite put my finger on it... hummmmmmm...
Be a member of the party, or else.
Yeah, I can see that union being all for obama.
socialists.

Isn't the essence of a union having someone else do things for you?
Like negotiate your salary, because you're too stupid.
Or protect you from big mean employer, because you're too pathetic.
Or tell you how to vote, because you can't figure it out for yourself.

I'm not busting your balls, RB, but it's not like teaching is the same as working in a coal mine. It's not like teaching is all these horrible hours, under dangerous conditions.
I understand the union has paid off the right people, so you HAVE to be a member to teach, I just think it's bullshit.
 

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RBBailey said:
. . . they make general statements about how it would be, "inconceivable to not vote for someone like him," and of course my union is already near... well... let's just say the excitement is building in the old NEA to a fever pitch -- . . .

There is a reason the unions want Obama to win.

May 05, 2008
Obama And The Teamsters Consent Decree

The WSJ reports today that Obama has quietly gone into the tank for the Teamsters, thereby winning their endorsement:

Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.

It's an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union. . . .​


Obama is simply the candidate of Chicago corruption.

Farrakhan
Rezko
Auchi
Wright
Malley
Hoffa (not just yet)
Baghdadi (still waiting his turn in the spotlight)
. . . . .


Rezko Watch
 

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If Hillary is finally on the way out, and the percieved short-comings or political "baggage" of Obama is too much for you to overlook; what's the alternative, McCain?

I deeply respect the man, but come on!

He's 71 for crying out loud... Anyone who thinks that won't make a difference on how he is able to do the job is probably under 50!

His wife is rich and won't disclose her income tax filings. I don't really care, but remember the grief the Republican's gave kerry over his wife?

And talk about what's good for the goose... What about the catchy "flip-flopper" label? McCain's pandering to voting groups by changing his stance on what some call "key-issues" makes Kerry look like he's wearing Red Wings instead of floppers.

Wasn't McCain the guy who partnered up with kennedy to propose amnesty for illegals?

I thank McCain for his service, I feel terrible about what he experienced in Vietnam, I actually liked him back when he ran against Bush. But I think his time has past and he's watered down what he did have going for him 8 years ago.

No matter how you feel about their political ideology, the Democrats ahve fielded two strong candidates. The Republican's know the country won't give them another four years after GWB and no really viable candidate stepped forward.

Get use to it, Obama will be the next POTUS.
 

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CADisco said:
. . . No matter how you feel about their political ideology, the Democrats ahve fielded two strong candidates.

No they haven't. The only reason Obama is still in this race is Hillary's high negatives. The only reason Hillary is in this race is that she was suppose to be crowned queen, months ago. Obama is only strong among blacks and elite democrats. He loses big outside the far left.

The current Democrat candidates are the result of identity politics, not strong accomplishments or records.

CADisco said:
The Republican's know the country won't give them another four years after GWB and no really viable candidate stepped forward.

Hillary's core voters will vote McCain and conservatives will come around and vote for McCain to prevent Chicago corruption and a Marxist from being POTUS.

You do know that if Obama isn't confirmed on the first vote, the delegates are released from their pledge for any subsequent voting.