Oil pump pressure relief springs

ezzzzzzz

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Referencing a later V8, I’m going through the timing cover/oil pump assembly. There is one pressure relief spring (bottom right facing the engine) that’s a no-brainer. It recirculates oil around the pump if pressure exceeds the factory spring. On the left hand side is another spring that by all appearances is the same rate as the relief spring for the oil pump. Some housings have the plunger of the left hand side if used with a oil cooler ( it opens under pressure to allow oil to flow should the oil cooler become blocked). Moving on…I’m not using an oil cooler. This timing cover only had the o-ringed plug and spring but no plunger. The spring will sit loosely in the bore such that there is no pressure holding the o-ringed plug in place against the retaining circlip. I presume there’s no need for the spring anyhow as oil pressure should keep the plug up against the circlip. The other options are placing plunger in there which means the oil pressure (as if the oil cooler were blocked) must be high enough to open that port or machine a small spacer that locates the plunger higher so oil flow freely and spring pressure holds the plug in place. Questions arise, if both springs are the same how can the oil pump overcome the left hand pressure without causing the oil pump relief to open equally stopping adequate oil flow to the engine? Secondly, Am I overthinking this whole damn thing?
Picture is not mine but only for reference.
 

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ezzzzzzz

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Well, I never got any input which I expected anyway. I’m going to install the spacer I machined on the lathe to provide some spring tension on the plug but free flow oil.
 

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terryjm1

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Not a LR but I once used a couple dimes to increase spring pressure on an oil pump relief valve. It worked!

You could probably sell those spacers if you made some extras.
 

kris812

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Looking in your first picture it looks like one spring is larger diameter wire than the other one. Count of coils appears the same so maybe it just looks that way.

However, I would think the engineers that made this engine took that into account. I'm guessing that the Biased pressure on the back side of the pluggers would come into play, allowing one side to have more relief than the other. Or temperature differences.

I can provide no help other than moral support and let you know what you are doing makes since. And let you know your spring stand-off's look "dead-nuts" accurate! : - )
 

ezzzzzzz

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I wasn’t at my best. Probably in the .003 range. I counted coils and mic’d the thickness. Both were the same. I don’t have a pressure gauge to measure these though.
 
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Gordo

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On a gems 4.0, I tried to replace the oil pressure relief spring but couldn’t find it for sale. It is NOT the same as the classic 3.9 with the old oil pump. I stuck a washer behind the spring and it increased the cold oil pressure about 5lbs. It still cuts out around 35psi per the auto meter mechanical gauge. If anyone knows the part number for that spring let me know. My other 4.0 gems (lot less miles) cuts out around 45psi. Same oil. Both have new mains and rods bearings.
 

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I am curious about methods you guys used to put back the spring, plunger, and clip ring.
Have any of you done it with the cover on the engine in the vehicle?
 
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WaltNYC

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springs can be found in these places. I'd call PT first.....
 
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Gordo

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I am curious about methods you guys used to put back the spring, plunger, and clip ring.
Have any of you done it with the cover on the engine in the vehicle?
I just did one in the engine and I used a Klein screwdriver wedged between the frame and cup to hold it in place while I installed the c clip. Worked well.

Walt NYC that is the spring I ordered and the gems (and likely serpentine belt 3.9) is definitely different. Thanks though. Gordo
 
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