Okay, now it's just getting ridiculous

[stansell]

Judge Rules Against Pledge of Allegiance

Now I am all about civil liberties-but this is just crap. The pledge of allegiance is now considered in California a breach of the separatoin of church and state? Whats next? The Declaration of Independence obviously, since it mentions God and the Creator. We have gone beyond separating church and state, now we are impressing upon children that faith is not part of our society.

 

[noee]

I know it seems weird, but the "under God" reference was only added sometime in the fifties.

Also, look closely at the first ammendment and notice the wording. Read some case law and find the genesis of the phrase "separation of church and state" by Thomas Jefferson, I think you'll be surprised.

It's such a catch-all phrase and really has so many meanings that it has no meaning, IMO. Some think of it as keeping religion out of gov't. Where is that in the constitution? The idea was to keep gov't out of religion(s).

 

[roverX]

The idea was to keep gov't out of religion(s).

Yup. The notion has been twisted backwards over the years until people no longer know the truth. They just accept someone else's opinions as truth rather than do the research themselves to find out the truth.

 

[Obie]

i just spend a long week there visiting the parentals that live in 'Marina Del Ray' ... the "Peoples Republic of KALI-fornia" is only getting more communist IMHO !!

and don't get me started on real estate out there ... the prices are mind boggling for what you get ... aside from the weather, i don't get it!!

 

[Andre]

here's example 35,001 of us not being to "offensive" to people who live in this country.

 

[p m]

i just spend a long week there visiting the parentals that live in 'Marina Del Ray' ... the "Peoples Republic of KALI-fornia" is only getting more communist IMHO !!

and don't get me started on real estate out there ... the prices are mind boggling for what you get ... aside from the weather, i don't get it!!

how about that, Patrick - I have no gripes about my kids' public school. And one year at U.C. (Berkeley, or LA, or San Diego, whichever you like) is about $18k, housing and food included.
I see neither harm no advantage in "under God" being in the Pledge; I see no value in 6-year old kids reciting it every day not understanding a word in it. The whole pledge thing seems so much like whatever pledges Communists invented in U.S.S.R. - to me, forcing kids to say it in school is a Communist trend, not other way around.

 

[cptyarderho]

The ruling said having them say the pledge with the added "under God" part is what made it unconstitutional. It was added during the Red Scare 50's. Take it out again and we can move on, no problem. Personally, it is so generic sounding, like the In God We Trust on the money that it does not matter. I know, you can use the money without reading it.
How about the new Fed. legislation that you have to teach the Constitution on Constitution day, I thought that was a state issue?!?

 

[Rocky]

Ninth circuit is the most overruled Federal bench in the Country. This one will be up in DC for an injunction and petition within days. Maybe Roberts will get a real humdinger of a case in his first term as Chief.

 

[GregFrench]

We need a good war to take our minds off of all of the stupidity going on in the country.

 

[RBBailey]

...How about the new Fed. legislation that you have to teach the Constitution on Constitution day, I thought that was a state issue?!?

Ha! It's funny, because I spend several weeks on the Constitution with my 8th grade history class. I wonder what they expect me to do on the one day? Also, you are right, education is a state issue. People who diagree with that are usually trying to help, but they have not thought through all the implications of having the feds control education.... eeeewwwwhhh, just saying that sends chills down my back!

 

[Obie]

how about that, Patrick - I have no gripes about my kids' public school. And one year at U.C. (Berkeley, or LA, or San Diego, whichever you like) is about $18k, housing and food included.
I see neither harm no advantage in "under God" being in the Pledge; I see no value in 6-year old kids reciting it every day not understanding a word in it. The whole pledge thing seems so much like whatever pledges Communists invented in U.S.S.R. - to me, forcing kids to say it in school is a Communist trend, not other way around.

i guess my problem is that people do not understand that there is no such thing as 'Separation of Church and State'!! especially attorney's.

house/senate and the supreme court all open with prayer. there is a paid Chaplin for those 3 branches of gov't as well. not to mention there all also paid chaplains in our armed forces that are paid with tax dollars and live on gov't property!!

and you saying that us pledging allegiance is communist or socialist is preposterous in my mind. the 'Pledge of Allegiance' is not saluting just a flag, it's saluting the cultural idea, that is America ... it's saluting those that have died defending it.

if you've ever done flag duty in the service, you'd know it is a respected act, an act you're NEVER cavalier about.

.02c

 

[GotRovr]

This fine example reinforces my opinion that America is evolving into one giant cluster fuck of malignant ideology backed by a large number of minority champion demonstrators pursuing a Socialistic agenda to influence a silent majority of tax payers whose hands are tied behind their backs from political correctness.

Why do they work so hard to fix things that aren't broken while those that are relish in red tape, corruption, and political ineffectiveness.

LEAVE THE PLEDGE ALONE

 

[Ho]

we should get that judge to get a disco. have him join discoweb. i ban him. then he'll have something REAL to bitch about.

 

[EMBIBB]

Banning???

Isn't banning from DiscoWeb Unconstitutional??? If I remember correctly, there were rules to this board... oh wait.. nevermind

eddie

 

[SCSL]

"Seperation of Church & State" (a phrase which does not appear in the constitution), originally intended as seperation of denomination & government (the Gov't shall pass no law establishing a state religion,,,), has now devolved (thanks to leftist attorneys & judges) into the seperation of religion & society... clearly NOT the intention of the Founders. As with Second Amendment issues, plentiful primary source writings exist. As with the Second Amendment, they are routinely ignored in the debate, both inside & outside the courtroom.

I agree with Ho: 9th circuit should be banned from DWeb.

However,,, I also agree with Peter: a daily recitation of the pledge by school children not even listening to the words they are droning is eerily reminiscent of 20th century neurotic state communism & of youth 'pioneers' in particular. What really freaks me out, however, is the individual who would have the time or inclination to bring this suit. Somehow I suspect his political inclinations,,,

Deconstruction is, and always has been, the name of the leftist game: in the academy, in the courts, in popular culture, in civil society. A cursory review of the degeneration of our society over the past 50 years points to a leftist victory in this regard,,, no hope on the horizon. But don't listen to me,,,I'm a right-wing wacko. Our society is simply "progressive".

 

[p m]

and you saying that us pledging allegiance is communist or socialist is preposterous in my mind. the 'Pledge of Allegiance' is not saluting just a flag, it's saluting the cultural idea, that is America ... it's saluting those that have died defending it.

if you've ever done flag duty in the service, you'd know it is a respected act, an act you're NEVER cavalier about.

.02c

Don't misquote me, Patrick - what I am saying is that forcing kids to recite the words they don't understand and can't relate to is a bad form of propaganda, strikingly similar to what communists forced kids to do. I know perfectly what the Pledge of Allegiance is and what it is for, so stop this BS on me.

 

[flyfisher11]

Why do they work so hard to fix things that aren't broken while those that are relish in red tape, corruption, and political ineffectiveness.

LEAVE THE PLEDGE ALONE

Damn you got that right!

 

[flyfisher11]

We need a good war to take our minds off of all of the stupidity going on in the country.

The last time I was getting shot at on final to Belad Iraq I thought we were at war not to mention those Fallen that I have brought back to Dover. I'm sure that if they were hear to speak for themselves they would know that we were at war.

 

[agro1]

DAYUM Mike....what plane is that and what was it shot with to do that much damage ?

 

[flyfisher11]

It is a C-5B Galaxy and was shot by a MANPAD or shoulder fired surface to air missile. Luckily for me I wasn't on this one although I have been shot at on many occasions. This crew brought it around and landed it without any problems although busy as hell on the flight deck. A crew from my squadron went in and flew it out on three engines to a "safer" place for the engine change and a little sheet metal repair . This incident inspired my confidence further in old "FRED" as we crews affectionately call our C-5s. She is one tough airplane with multiple backup systems. The hard part is learning all the ways to work around problems and keep the mission moving

Cheers,

Mike