Outside air tmp

Beagle Bones

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Is it written somewhere that I've missed; does the 4.0 have an optimum outside air temp? I currently do not have an air box or the air temp sensor. I'd like to rectify that situation. Not with a either of the aforementioned parts, but through the power Science.. ;)
 

seventyfive

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INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR (X311)

The Intake Air Temperature Sensor is a dedicated sensor, mounted on the air cleaner housing. The Intake Air Temperature Sensor is a resistive sensor, i.e. the change in resistance is related to change in air temperature. The signal from the Intake Air Temperature Sensor (X311) is used to retard the ignition timing if the air temperature rises above 55° C.

Did you cut the connector out of the harness? If not you could probably just connect the sensor and fix it to the area around your air filter.
 
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Beagle Bones

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Yes that's the sensor I'm talking about. Reading your post I'm gathering that 55* is optimal outside temp?? For some reason I was thinking 65* (I can't back that up though). I feel as my truck is dumping fuel bc it has no reading what so ever. I can say the one time I ran it in the heat at the Mid West Rally it would dump fuel or really kick up the idle in a "Hot" situation.
 

Beagle Bones

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Though my Air Box sensor may have nothing to do with the issue I just described. Since that ride I've reworked my coolant lines as I felt that was more to do with an over heating problem.
 

seventyfive

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I have no idea. I can't find the default value and ignition timing for whatever that default temp is. Being a resistive sensor I assume it's supplied a voltage resistor heats up and the air cools it down, based on the temperature the voltage is scaled as an input, like a blower motor resistor or air mass meter.

Only thing I could assume is that the ecu is advancing the ignition because it sees a low ambient temp, but in theory the ECU should be adjusting the fuel injector pulse width based on the coolant temp. So if the coolant is at temp the fuel should be leaner but you're saying it seemed to be running fatter so their may be an issue with the ECT.

If the ignition is advancing and the ECT is reading cooler than actual value I could see running fat and a higher idle due to btdc ignition timing.
I'm not familiar with gems engine management, so hopefully one of the older guys will have an answer.
 
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seventyfive

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Have to find out what the default value is. I know on Bmw's and benz's if the ambient temp sensor (the sensor strictly used to display the outside temperature on your cluster or dash and as an input to the automatic HVAC system) the default value shows a negative value, so I if that's the case with the ambient temp sensor on your truck than it would want to advance the timing I guess.

Running rich, I would look at your ECT temp input to the ecu. Or it could just be a vacuum leak.
 
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ERover82

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3.10 Intake Air Temperature Sensor
3.10.1 Description
1. Diagnostic Trouble Codes:
Intake Air Temperature Circuit Low Input P0112
Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input P0113
Intake Air Temperature Sensor Rationality Check P0111

2. Monitoring Procedure
Range Check
Problems with the intake air temperature sensor are detected usin
g a range test. The range test tests for input values outside
expected limits. If the
range tested is not passed then the appropr
iate fault count will be incremented, otherwi
se it will be decremented. If the count
er reaches a given
threshold then a fault is present. While f
ault counting is in progress a back-up value
of intake air temper
ature will be suppli
ed to avoid problems of
incorrect values reaching the rest of the system.

Rationality Check
Once the engine coolant temperature has st
abilised hot, the output of the intake air temperature sensor is compared at low and
high airflow
conditions. The test relies on the fact that the under bonnet temp
erature causes the intake air temperature to rise at idle co
mpared to high airflow
conditions, where the real external ambient
temperature is being read. These tests w
ill check that the sensor is correctly moun
ted and connected.
The tests are two-sided, but only one flow chart has been shown.

3. Primary Detection Parameter
Intake Air Temperature - meas
ured as thermistor voltage.

4. Fault Criteria Limits
Intake Air Temperature Circuit Low Input 0.059V - equivalent to 145o
C
Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input 4.922V - equivalent to –40o
C
Intake Air Temperature rise/fall during rationality check approx 3o
C

5. Monitoring Conditions
The range check will take place whenever there is power to the ECM.
For the rationality check, the following co
nditions must be met in consecutive order:
i. engine coolant temperature is above a threshold (70o
C).
ii. engine operates at a constant mass airflow rate for a period of time.
iii. the average mass airflow ra
te changes at
a certain rate.
iv. engine maintains the new mass airflow rate for the period
of time that the sensor output test is being conducted.
If any of the conditions fail to be true, the test is restarted.

6. Monitoring Time Length / Frequency of Checks
The frequency of the Air Thermistor Diagnostic is 2Hz.
Land Rover Revision Date: February 2004 Page 77 of 143
The rationality check will take place at least once per trip.

7. Criteria for Storing a Diagnostic Trouble Code
Two successive trips where the air
thermistor diagnostic indicates a failed intake air temperature sensor.

8. Criteria for Illuminating MIL
Two successive trips where the air
thermistor diagnostic indicates a failed intake air temperature sensor.

9. Criteria for Determining Out of Range Input Signals
Range check as above.
 

Dave03S

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Beagelbones, you read his post wrong, he was not saying 55 degrees is optimum, he said timing starts getting retarded above 55 degrees CELCIUS.... I think you missed the C and misunderstood the point.
 

Beagle Bones

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Loudest fuel pump ever.

Some folks bring spare parts on the trail, I bring extra Fuel Pressure. I could power 2-3 other trucks with my Fuel pump.

I need to buy a Fuel Pressure Regulator to mount just after the pump, that will divert extra pressure/fuel right back into the tank. I don't recall what my pumps output is, but I thinks it's more than double needed. The noise you hear is the sound of the pump "dead heading." Well that's the theory anyway.
 

Beagle Bones

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I almost went and bought louder speakers after following you at the MW Rally!

I'm glad you were there, I was getting annoyed w/the noise. I was asked a few times in camp if it was an "Electric Powered" buggy. Really Jeep clown, when was the last time you heard an electric motor making that much noise?
 

Flyfish

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I'm glad you were there, I was getting annoyed w/the noise. I was asked a few times in camp if it was an "Electric Powered" buggy. Really Jeep clown, when was the last time you heard an electric motor making that much noise?

Seriously?! That's funny. He probably was showing off for his wife/sister!
 

Beagle Bones

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What ^^^^^^^ said. My query had been momentarily derailed by two alley cats. Neither of which ever told me their names.

Back on topic I remember the answer to my question now. I've just got to find a good sensor and check it's resistance at say 65-70* outside temp.
 

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