P0130 and P0171 on an '03 D2

mnwolftrack

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I already know what the codes refer to, pre-cat O2 sensor bank 1 (P0130), and bank 1 lean (P0171). I'm just curious to know if there's anything else it could be. I doubt it's something the cylinder itself, meaning injector, slipped liner, sticky valves, or the other bad things because it would have caused a dreaded misfire code.

The problem came on quite suddenly. I put 1800 miles on the '03 no problems, no dash lights, ran great. Then I accidentally filled it with 87 octane regular unleaded. Within 40 miles, P0130 came up. There was an old code stored there too, but that one hasn't come back. I drove it for 250 miles, occassionally being able to drive 20-30 miles before getting the code. It almost seemed as if--if I was going to get the code at all, it was going to be when the engine was cold or not quite warmed up yet (it's been anywhere from -20F to 25F here lately).

After driving 250 miles getting rid of the 87 octane, I filled up with 91 octane (no ethanol either) from a good gas station hoping the code would stay gone. Well, within 20 miles of that, I parked somewhere for about 2 hours and the engine got cold enough to be "cold." When I started it up, it instantly idled rough, the SES light came on again, and after 10 miles of driving, I got both the P0130 and P0171 codes. I cleared the codes, they came right back, I drove home another 20 miles and parked it a few days ago.

The engine seems to run smoothly above idle, but not at idle. I already checked the MAF--it was perfectly clean. I cleaned it with CRC MAF cleaner anyway. There don't seem to be any exhaust leaks, and certainly not enough to "tick." This weekend I plan to swap the 02 sensors from driver side to passenger side to see if the problem moves. The only coincidence I can think of is that the heater plate gasket and one of it's hoses decided to leak badly about 2 weeks ago, dripped all over on top the driver valve cover, down the engine, and drip right onto the 02 sensor in question. I'm going to check that electrical connector tomorrow--maybe it got corroded from coolant?

Anyway, I'm just looking for other things I can check while I'm doing this. I've only had this darn truck for 3 weeks and I can only drive it for about 2 days before something else fails. Nothing major yet, but still incredibly annoying! I have a ScanGauge2, but I haven't learned how to use it yet. Perhaps it can help. I have a regular OBD2 code reader as well, but it does not give me live info.
 
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mnwolftrack

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Ok, I've removed both front 02 sensors and swapped them. Now I am getting P0130 (still) and now P1129. I can't find anything on this second code. I haven't run it long, but I have not gotten P0171 again yet. It actually ran great for the first few minutes (cold engine), I took it for a 5 mile test drive, no problems. I shut the engine off, parted the truck for about 10 minutes, then started it up again, and it instantly started running rough again and tripped the two codes I just mentioned. I shut the engine off, cleared the codes, started the engine again, it ran better but still had a bit of a stumble to it, and after about 60 seconds threw the codes again.

What was interesting is that the orange plug was soaked in coolant from the heater plate leak I posted about a couple weeks ago. This may explain why the heater plate leak and original P0130 codes came at the same time? Anyway, Hoping the connections were maybe just shorting out, I cleaned out both ends of the connector with MAF cleaner (what I had on hand) and used compressed air to blow them dry.

It's also worth noting that the driver side 02 sensor was black from running rich, while the passenger 02 looked much better. The driver 02 sensor was also not super tight. It wasn't horribly loose, but I would have expected it to be a little tighter. Lastly, one of the studs connecting the downpipe to the driver side manifold is missing, so I know I need to replace that.

Any clue what P1129 means, and why, even after swapping the front 02's from one side to the other the code would stay on the same side?? I was about to blow money on new 02 sensors, but now I'm not so sure.

Any help would be great!
 

mnwolftrack

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Oh good, now I'm getting P1129 and P0150.... If I just let it idle, it will idle fine for a minute, run like crap for a minute, run ok for a minute, run fine for a minute. It can't make up it's mind.
 

Jkid

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Google search came up with this:

P1129 - Downstream heated 02 sensors swapped

Don't ask me why and I'm not sure if it pertains to LR's, but it seems like it pertains to you.

P0150 might be from swapping the bad sensor over to the other side and the computer had to readjust so it threw the P1129 first (P0150 O2 Sensor Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 1)). I'm far from an expert but it sounds like that sensor is bad. Personally I'd replace all of them if you are at 100k miles on them.
 

mnwolftrack

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I just did a search on the Equus site, and it says P1129 (for Land Rover) means:

Upstream oxygen sensors connected incorrectly (swapped)Drive cycle C:Signal implausible

I did swap them, but how does it know??? It's not like I whispered in it's ear. I thought the sensors were the same, and there's only one way to hook them up (e.g. can't hook the plugs up backwards or upside down ). I don't get what signal implausible means either. Implausible means improbable, unlikely, etc... As for helpfulness of the meaning, not so much.

So, if my code continues to stay as P0150, I can live with that, because that means it truly was the driver side sensor giving me P0130 and is now giving me P0150 because I swapped the front pre-cat sensors. But I still don't get the P1129. If I search this site for P1129, the only result I get is my own post. Yet I got the idea to swap the front sensors because someone else mentioned doing that and watching for the code to follow....
 

robertofollia

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Maybe I am saying something you already know, but if you swap sensors you should keep the wiring unswapped (I mean, wiring A to bank A and the same with bank B, doesn't matter where the sensor came from, it's the wiring which should remain in the same place.

Leave the sensors as is but reconnect the wiring in order not to confuse the ECU. Clear codes, restart engine and recheck for codes again

Hope that helps
 

mnwolftrack

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There isn't enough room in the harness to even consider moving the harness pigtails. I only moved the sensors. I put the passenger O2 sensor back, installed the new O2 on the driver side and so far it is happy again.