Pinewood Derby

fishEH

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Ahhhh yes, the Pinewood Derby. That time when a young Cub Scout gets to design his own car and his father gets to totally take it over. :)

What tips and tricks are out there to make it really scream? How about weight distribution?
 

antichrist

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When I was a Cub Scout I won ours (ok, I would have won if I hadn't missed the final since I had beat the winner by a lot in the eliminations). This was when they came as just a rectangular block of wood and you had to carve it yourself.
I eliminated as much frontal area as possible by making a severe taper, drilled some shallow large holes in the middle of the underbody and filled them with melted solder. We didn't have an accurate scale so I had to tape a couple of pennies to the bottom just before the races to get the max weight that was within the limit.
I can't remember if I used graphite on the axles or silicone grease, but probably graphite.

topic = off
On the not actually winning, I seemed to have a knack as a kid for things like that. When I was a paperboy our newspaper had a contest where the paperboy who sold the most subscriptions won a trip to Europe. By God I was a selling fool, but got the flu a week before the end and was in bed the whole week. I don't think I'd ever been that sick! Anyway, the winner only sold something like 5 subscriptions more than I did. I typically had been selling 10-15 a day. :( /topic
 
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scottsdalerrc

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i've got 3 pinewood derby 1st place trophies somewhere at my parents house. my uncle owns a custom cabinet shop so they were all built there and then we'd drill out 3/8" holes in the front (underneath) and fill with solder. we'd usually weigh at home but always ended up having to drill out a bit upon arrival. i actually know exactly where all the winning cars are at my parents house too.

my son is now in cub scouts and i hope we can continue the tradition.
 

Howski

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It's all about letting the axles rotate freely. Don't be afraid to use silicone spray/WD40, nobody will catch you. My brother and I won the pinewood dery the same year
 

singingcamel

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I had three boys and here are the tricks we used and did really well.
1- everyone uses grafite
2- use some fine wet dry paper and spin the wheels on a drill to debuhr the nails (axles)
3-lightly debuhr the hubs on the wheels.
4- small piece of shiny scotch tape on the body just in case you have wheel rub.
I had one son who did'nt want to spend time on body design so we used just the square block. runner uo out of 35 kids.Its all about friction .
Good luck and keep us posred on the results.
Oh, we kept the weight favoring a little back of center.
 

61rover

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In the Rovers North magazine a year or two ago there was a great article about a kid that built a Series 109 Pinewood Derby car. Really cool.
 

toadermcgee

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Watch Down and Derby. It is a little corny but after going to a Pine Wood Derby it was closer to the truth then fiction. Some dads are nuts.
 

jim-00-4.6

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deburr the axles.
graphite the living shit out of the wheel/axle interface.

weight distribution depends on track design, short hill, long straightaway, or long hill, short straightaway?
what we discovered:
weight in the front will take an early lead off the hill, weight in the back and the car "catches up" on the straightaway.

The mom of 1 of our cubs had a digital scale, and we declared that scale to be the "official" scale.
She'd bring it to the weekly meetings leading up to the race.
Day of race, I'd bring tools to sand/drill fat cars, and extra weight for thin cars.
The cubs (and moms/dads) had up to an hour (which is how long it took me to set up the track) to tweak on race day.

I built our track.
The starting gate was 4 steel pins (1/2" diameter) sticking up out of the track at the top.
When you pressed the START button, solenoids would snap the pins below the track surface.
That also started the digital timer.
The finish line was four sensors above the track; a car moving through would stop the timer.

To remove any "lane advantage", every car raced in every lane, with all times added together.
Shortest total time was winner.

The Cubs raced, and we had seperate "class" for family members who also built cars.
The dads loved that shit, but we also had sisters and moms who had their own cars to race.
It was a 6-hour event, with lots of food, rediculous amounts of laughter, and some really fun car designs.

I still have most of our family's cars; I'll get a pic or 2 and post them up.
 

psykokid

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My son won out of his group (wolves last year) and got second overall out of the entire pack. Ours derby was cool as it was held at the petersen auto museum, they have a track built there that scouts can use.

I polished the axles, used some sandpaper and cleaned up the mold lines on the wheels and polished them out, ground graphite into the axles and the wheel hubs. Get your ride height as low as possible and get as much weight into the car as you can as long as its still legal. I drilled a bunch of holes on the underside of our car and used tungsten slugs, covered the holes with wood putty and painted it up.

we modeled our car on the auto union type d grand prix car:

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fishEH

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Nice, guys. Thanks for the replies.
I actually won our Pack, and took 1st in regional?(if that's what its called?). Came in seventh or something in Council.
Maybe I should ask my Dad what he did, LOL! :)
 

cdkarp

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To avoid all of the parents building the cars and not the boys, this year I am giving everyone their car 1 hour before the race. Parents are not allowed to help their own son with his car. I am sure there will be plenty of ugly slow cars this year.
 

psykokid

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My son did a lot of the work on the car. He cut the rough shape on a scroll saw, because of all the complex curves he had to sand the shit out of it. I polished the axles and buffed the wheels as well as did the final sanding before painting.
 

fishEH

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psykokid said:
My son won out of his group (wolves last year) and got second overall out of the entire pack. Ours derby was cool as it was held at the petersen auto museum, they have a track built there that scouts can use.

I polished the axles, used some sandpaper and cleaned up the mold lines on the wheels and polished them out, ground graphite into the axles and the wheel hubs. Get your ride height as low as possible and get as much weight into the car as you can as long as its still legal. I drilled a bunch of holes on the underside of our car and used tungsten slugs, covered the holes with wood putty and painted it up.

we modeled our car on the auto union type d grand prix car:

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Those wheels don't look sano. ;)
 

kennith

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I was kicked out of the scouts before I had a crack at running the race.:banghead:

Justin should offer a Discoweb pinewood derby event.

Build your car, mail it in, and let them be judged on aesthetics and performance. There could be money in it, too, because once you fuckers get near a wood shop, you'll be too concerned about drag coefficients and weight bias to worry about an entry fee.

It would give him something to do with all that free time he has every day.:D

Cheers,

Kennith
 

mjbrox

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Just cheat and add weights at the last second.

It is the american way.

whats that? you dont believe me? Just ask Lance or any Nascar team, cheating and getting away with it is all part of the game these days.

Teach him young