Plasma vs. LCD

Mike_Rupp

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We're in the market for a new TV for a TV room. I've read about Plasma vs. LCD online, but so many of the articles are really old. I get the sense that Plasma is more fluid and natural but is more suited to dark rooms. LCD is brighter, but not quite as good with motion. I believe Plasmas are heavier and use more electricity.

That being said, this TV will be used mostly for watching DVDs, not everyday TV.

I've looked online at AMZN and Best Buy and figured it would be best to ask here if someone has any recommendations. We'd like to get something that is 60" or more.

It seems that most of the higher end models are 3D, but I'm not interested in 3D. Do they operate in conventional 2D?

Thanks
 

KngTgr

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I have a Sony 42 LCD and a Panasonic 50 Plasma; I debated for weeks over what technology to buy, I decided on the LCD Sony and installed it in my room, and use it mostly for games and movies. It is pretty good. Then I bought the plasma (main reason for purchase was size/price/quality) and put it in the living room, where there are three large windows, use it for HD cable, Movies and games, I like the brightness and crispiness of the plasma way better than the LCD even with daylight coming in. I have not had them professionally tuned up for the locations, but straight out the box the plasma would be my first choice now.
 

JackW

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Panasonic Plasma all the way - much better picture in my opinion.
 

Big Papa

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I'm in the market for a new tube as well. My 10 yr old projection Hitachi is done. I also have an LG LCD. But I think the plasma's have better color and picture, IMO.
 
Jan 3, 2005
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3D sucks. Not worth it, at least not yet.

Tami got us a LCD/LED TV. It's about a year old so of course it's outdated. But the picture is fantastic. It's a Samsung 8500-Series.

Whatever you end up getting, make sure it has Wifi. But personally I like the LCD/LED's. We have a Plasma in the bedroom, but the LED/LCD blows it away.
 

Mike_Rupp

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D Chapman said:
3D sucks. Not worth it, at least not yet.

Tami got us a LCD/LED TV. It's about a year old so of course it's outdated. But the picture is fantastic. It's a Samsung 8500-Series.

Whatever you end up getting, make sure it has Wifi. But personally I like the LCD/LED's. We have a Plasma in the bedroom, but the LED/LCD blows it away.

Dan, what's the reason for wifi? Is there some advantage of using wifi over an ethernet connection?
 
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Mike_Rupp said:
Dan, what's the reason for wifi? Is there some advantage of using wifi over an ethernet connection?

Well, not really in that case. It's just one less wire to run.

We use the Wifi a lot. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc.. Our TV also has Bluetooth which is nice too. With the Bluetooth the TV can connect to our computers where you can then view photos, watch videos, play music.... It's nice.

Of course, you're probably going to want a Blueray player at some point as well, if you don't already have one. Many Blueray players on the market will do the same things. I had bought a Samsung Blueray player, top of the line at the time. But it sucks. It's sitting in a closet now. I got a PS3 instead to use as a Blueray player. I'm not a "gamer", but I'll admit I do play some Call Of Duty from time-to-time. The PS3 is a great player and it's easy to use with Netflix, etc...
 

Mike_Rupp

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We've got a Sony blu-ray player, but it's a few years old so it doesn't have the Internet services like Netflix, etc. We'll demote that unit to another location and get something more up to date.
 

kennith

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Plasma should always be choice number one.

From there, count the drawbacks as they apply to your requirements. LCD becomes the choice if the drawbacks of the plasma display cause it to be too inconvenient for your purposes.

If the display is mainly for movies, you should almost always focus on plasma technology.

The age-old plasma vs LCD issues still apply today. While the drawbacks of each have become muted over time, those drawbacks are the same as they have always been. A plasma still provides the best of everything your eyes perceive. An LCD, however, is still slightly more versatile.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

KyleT

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LG plasma.

LCD LED's main advantage is it is more energy efficient than plasma (IE to sell in kalifornistan)

make sure you get a HZ rating that is equally divisible by 24 (fps frame rate) ((IIRC that is the right FPS number for movies/HD, dont remember))
 
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We have a one year old 55 inch LG led-lcd mounted above the fireplace in our great room. There are lots of windows in here and the picture is fantastic day or night. The only thing I thought was lacking was the sound, very disappointing. Nobody buys a high-end television for sound quality, but after firing this thing up for the first time, I went right back and bought a Samsung surround sound system. Now we are very pleased and won't need to change anything for many years. I'm a big LG fan.
 
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varova87

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KyleT said:
LG plasma.
rating that is equally divisible by 24 (fps frame rate) ((IIRC that is the right FPS number for movies/HD, dont remember))


correct - movies are shot 24fps, as are most 1080p videos.
 

kennith

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Kennith, care to offer some objective reasons?

I've explained them all so many times that even I don't feel like going into great detail.

Put very, very simply:

An LCD is a filter in front of a light source. A plasma display is the light source.

Those are the constants that separate the two technologies, and generate both the benefits and drawbacks of each.

Here is as much as I can handle right now. I'm exhausted.

The very nature of a plasma display allows a good model to render pinpoint accurate gray-scale information. Blacks are black without voodoo that affects the rest of the array. A black cell is simply brought to idle, and every cell can do it. Some displays have lower idle values than others, but the point remains the same.

An LCD must attempt to "block" a pixel in order to darken it. This always allows light to leak around edges and even through the pixel itself, preventing an LCD from reaching good black levels without trickery.

A popular trick these days involves LED lighting. Instead of a conventional lamp behind the liquid crystal array, LEDs are used, which can be locally dimmed to produce deep blacks. Local dimming does affect the rest of the array, though, and adverse adjustments must be made in order to display fine detail in very dark scenes. In bright scenes, local dimming also causes issues, and so do the adjustments you needed to make in order to display the dark scenes properly.

Another popular trick involves active adjustment, with which the calibration of the display is altered automatically between preset values in order to preserve picture quality between contrast shots. This technology is complete and utter bullshit in any incarnation.

Nowadays, it's common to see supplementary filters or incredibly glossy finishes on an LCD in a further attempt to give the impression of a deeper black.

An LCD simply cannot render a proper black without help, and the help always causes other problems. Whites suffer as well, because it's the backlight that determines the temperature of the image. Any calibration you may perform simply attempts to filter out the error, which affects the picture yet again, commonly crashing one end of the scale.

These are tricks, and they affect color representation, as grayscale information is critical to every facet of an image.

Fine LCD computer monitors are better in all these respects, but they cost a fucking fortune, and they still aren't quite right. A 50 inch display of that quality is astronomically out of reach for most people, and would still suffer the same issues, even if they were toned down a great amount.

A plasma is perfect for moving images for numerous reasons. An LCD is not.

Oh, you will see 1,346,827,895,834.73462hz displays popping up all over the place, but it's a load of hogwash. that nonsense makes things even worse; throwing in countless frames where there should only be a few in a standard ratio. Anything not moving quickly becomes nearly static, and fast moving images suffer as well.

An LCD simply cannot display motion properly without help, and the help fucks things up.

There are countless more issues, but these are the big ones.

Now, a plasma historically hasn't been good with static images. They've become far better recently, though. Today, they are no more likely to burn in than a nice CRT. Still, it's an issue. If you use a plasma display as a computer monitor, it's time to bring back the old screen saver, just to be safe.

As a computer monitor, or as any other monitor that is to see static images for lengthy periods of time, a plasma generally isn't the best choice. Some televisions are left unattended for lengthy periods of time, left displaying paused video game images, stuck on news broadcasts with that little ticker running along the bottom, or simply used to view extensive 4:3 media. In these events, a plasma might not be the best choice.

Guitar hero is like kryptonite to a plasma. It's a fucking no-go. If you play that shit for hours on end, get an LCD. Other than that abomination, games are outstanding on plasma displays, for the same reasons movies are.

You may never see a burn in issue with a plasma, but go LCD just for peace of mind if you believe you use your displays in manners such as those.

Plasma displays also use more energy, and it's not by a small margin. If you are a broke-ass fuck that is going to run out and spend two fucking grand on a television anyway, you probably ought to pick up an LCD. You might want to ditch the Rover, as well. First on your to-do list, however, should be sterilizing yourself to prevent you from having damn-fool children.

If you want a big screen, you have to pay to play. If you can't afford to run it, don't buy one. Energy use is not a factor in purchasing something so extravagant.

One of the drawbacks of all that pretty white light that a plasma display can produce is brightness. They just can't compete with something that's got a kajillion watt furnace behind it. If you have the thing right beside your kitchen window, or if you've got a person in your house that's got to have all the windows open and every light on constantly, an LCD may be easier on the old eyes.

I've not even touched on the technical detail, nor have I hit every point, but enough is here to get things somewhat clear.

If your big ass flat screen is for sports, movies, or good HD programming, and it isn't sitting right beside a neutron star, a plasma is a fine choice.

If you have a television just to have a television, and simply want a worry-free brain-rotting experience no matter what you do, an LCD is the way to go.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Ed Cheung

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Actually I do agree with Kennith, For LCD, some model used glossy screen, which will have better black or dark colors but the reflection in the glass is a pain to watch in rooms with lots of windows. Matted finished screen do not have such issue but the colors are off. Plasma do not have such issue.
But I still got the LCD, as they are way cheaper than Plasma for the same size. My TV gets switch on for 2 hours a week, so I go with the cheaper one.
 

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group captain mandrake said:
We have a one year old 55 inch LG led-lcd mounted above the fireplace in our great room.

We're in the market for something in the 37-42" range right now, and over the fireplace/woodstove is the most logical option, given the available space and window arrangement. (With a muffin fan moving air around the Vermont Castings Resolute set inside the fireplace, the mantlepiece never gets hot.) My wife thinks that she's gonna get a crick in her neck looking "up" at the screen, though I disagree. Viewing the screen at this 'elevation' seems perfectly comfortable, given the seating in the living room...tested it out with a 19" LCD but the SO is still opposed.

Thoughts?

Cheers
 

Ed Cheung

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I went from a 37" to a 46", both sat on the same TV cabinet. I found the bigger one to be more comfort.

Just took a few seconds to sat in front of it, my eye level is dead center at the TV now.