power gain from a snorkel?
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syoung
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Better airflow is good- but the shorty intake pipes with cone filters inside the engine compartment dont make sense. I'd rather have cooler air and less chance of drowning.
I found that on my D1, the K&N was letting stuff pass through that the paper element didn't. There was a dusty film in the intake tube with the K&N that I've never had with the paper element.
I found that on my D1, the K&N was letting stuff pass through that the paper element didn't. There was a dusty film in the intake tube with the K&N that I've never had with the paper element.
Snorkel...
I agree with you Paul... the main reason to install a snorkel is for the "chick magnet factor"....
I agree with you Paul... the main reason to install a snorkel is for the "chick magnet factor"....
EMBIBB said:
really? most people including chicks, have no idea what the hell is ont he side of my car. I just got one so I didnt get water into my engine. Maybe im the oddball though.
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Black Mustache
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as far as keeping water out your engine, if you go deep enough to submerge the location of the stock intake, you will make your computer & friendly electronics go kaput. then you'll be stuck in the drink and no chicks are gonna wanna ride in your junk with the moldy, stinky carpets that's going slow because you put the neat snorkel on in the first place.
honestly, they do look cool, but the likeness i appreciated most was the marathon runner breathing through a drinking straw... if yer gona do it, do it for the right reasons. say it loud, say it proud; CHICKS.
honestly, they do look cool, but the likeness i appreciated most was the marathon runner breathing through a drinking straw... if yer gona do it, do it for the right reasons. say it loud, say it proud; CHICKS.
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Black Mustache
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Black moustach :That depends,
The one I'm working on now isn't restricting anything. The old one was very restrictive. Designing one with airflow in mind as well as water ingress can have advantages. With certain setups, I have been feeling an extra kick in the pants versus the factory airhose. With others I have experienced a decrease in acceleration rate. A lot does actually revolve on where the actual intake occurs, and in which direction it comes from.
For example, one can generate a ram-air effect, to an extent, by significantly increasing the sise of the actual intake duct in relation to the plumbing. This, however, does lead to a snorkle with the proportions of a palm tree.
You can bolt a bunch of crap on, or you can at least try to make things work to your advantage all the way around. A snorkle can help your airflow, it just takes some artificial channeling. Paired with a proper high flow exhaust, it can allow you to squeeze a little more power out of your motor with more agressive electronic tuning. Everything has to go hand in hand. What goes in, must come out, and vice versa. Without telling your engine what to do with the extra flow, though, you will probably get a decrease in performance.
There is no true bolt it on and gain power trick. Even an aftermarket turbocharger requires tuning to get optimum results.
An engine is an air pump, but it still needs to be pointed in the right direction.
Cheers,
Kennith
The one I'm working on now isn't restricting anything. The old one was very restrictive. Designing one with airflow in mind as well as water ingress can have advantages. With certain setups, I have been feeling an extra kick in the pants versus the factory airhose. With others I have experienced a decrease in acceleration rate. A lot does actually revolve on where the actual intake occurs, and in which direction it comes from.
For example, one can generate a ram-air effect, to an extent, by significantly increasing the sise of the actual intake duct in relation to the plumbing. This, however, does lead to a snorkle with the proportions of a palm tree.
You can bolt a bunch of crap on, or you can at least try to make things work to your advantage all the way around. A snorkle can help your airflow, it just takes some artificial channeling. Paired with a proper high flow exhaust, it can allow you to squeeze a little more power out of your motor with more agressive electronic tuning. Everything has to go hand in hand. What goes in, must come out, and vice versa. Without telling your engine what to do with the extra flow, though, you will probably get a decrease in performance.
There is no true bolt it on and gain power trick. Even an aftermarket turbocharger requires tuning to get optimum results.
An engine is an air pump, but it still needs to be pointed in the right direction.
Cheers,
Kennith
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Black Mustache
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syoung
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Nah- this is mo better
http://www.esuperchargers.com/
A $15 bilge blower made into a supercharger- good for a million horsepower.
http://www.esuperchargers.com/
A $15 bilge blower made into a supercharger- good for a million horsepower.
Black Mostache, hmmm, I see you have picked this special moment to humiliate yourself in this public forum with your 'absolute' statement.
Obviously, this topic is far out of your realm of understanding.
Do the right things to the rig and water above the hood is not an issue, so there goes your theroy. Now, just becasue you live in ELA, where you may not face deep water situations as common terrain, does not mean people purchase these only for the chick-factor.
I am however already visualizing some duct-tape over your keyboard.
Obviously, this topic is far out of your realm of understanding.
Do the right things to the rig and water above the hood is not an issue, so there goes your theroy. Now, just becasue you live in ELA, where you may not face deep water situations as common terrain, does not mean people purchase these only for the chick-factor.
I am however already visualizing some duct-tape over your keyboard.
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1st Rover
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I think that the reason that most snorkels' openings are turned rearward is to avoid ingestion of rain, bugs, splashed water, etc. The amount of "ram air" available off-road is insignificant and the bends in the pipe more than make up for any possible gains.
As far as the K&N, I haven't yet seen any data on filter efficiency, although I have asked. It seems that filtering less restricts less, and removing the filter entirely will complete the effect. How long do you want your rings to last?
If you haven't waterproofed the rest of the truck it seems like it isn't yet time for the snorkel.
As far as the K&N, I haven't yet seen any data on filter efficiency, although I have asked. It seems that filtering less restricts less, and removing the filter entirely will complete the effect. How long do you want your rings to last?
If you haven't waterproofed the rest of the truck it seems like it isn't yet time for the snorkel.
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syoung
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asurover said:
nope
To mimic a real supercharger with electric motors requires exotic motors and about 8 big batteries. Draws something like 1400 amps.
A bilge blower can move up to 750CFM but put it up against even 1psi of pressure and it won't move any air at all.
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Black Mustache
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Lutzgaterr said:
ok, feller. what was the "absolute" in any of my posts? the guy is asking for advice/truth, i gave it to him as i understand it. threw some comedy in for good measure and a wink at that. i'm not humiliated and think you are kinda dumb for bringing up the Los Angeles factor. you are are about as familiar with southern california trails and wheeling as you are with search engines and books.
now- let me hold your hand through my post.
"if you go deep enough to submerge the location of the stock intake, you will make your computer & friendly electronics go kaput". now, if this guy is asking about significant horsepower gain from a snorkel, he needs to understand some more fundamental things about the topic. (no offense ausurover, we all gotta start somewhere) so, i tried to help the guy understand with a sense of humor that, no, he would not. you starting to get it, yet... ?
and whats a keyboard? is that another gay bolt on mod that makes chicks like my completely submergible land rover more?
It's true about the waterproofing,
But mainly in the engine bay. Depending on the model of your rover, you can be ok on short crossings. As I like water a lot, I have been accumulating the parts needed to relocate ALL of my electronics into waterproof enclosures inside the vehicle. Is this neccessary? No, not for most people. A couple of feet of water is all most will have the nails to drive through, no matter how deep it SEEMS. If you keep away from breaking bow waves, rooster tails and moving water more than a foot and a half deep, you will usually be fine.
The snorkle allows most users a little more leeway, and keeps them above the 30-40000 dollar waterline.
Also, when piped right, at low speeds a snorkle can give a little more airflow. You can't just bolt one on, though. It's true, the two most popular models don't do much for the airflow, but they are not what I am speaking of.
It's just like exhaust. You can't bolt a high flow muffler on and expect magic HP gains. True flow begins at the headers. With a snorkle, it begins at the intake manifold.
Cheers,
Kennith
But mainly in the engine bay. Depending on the model of your rover, you can be ok on short crossings. As I like water a lot, I have been accumulating the parts needed to relocate ALL of my electronics into waterproof enclosures inside the vehicle. Is this neccessary? No, not for most people. A couple of feet of water is all most will have the nails to drive through, no matter how deep it SEEMS. If you keep away from breaking bow waves, rooster tails and moving water more than a foot and a half deep, you will usually be fine.
The snorkle allows most users a little more leeway, and keeps them above the 30-40000 dollar waterline.
Also, when piped right, at low speeds a snorkle can give a little more airflow. You can't just bolt one on, though. It's true, the two most popular models don't do much for the airflow, but they are not what I am speaking of.
It's just like exhaust. You can't bolt a high flow muffler on and expect magic HP gains. True flow begins at the headers. With a snorkle, it begins at the intake manifold.
Cheers,
Kennith
thanks for the feedback. i don't spend much time in deep water. i was mainly wanting the snorkel for those times i get stuck in mud up to my headlights and can't get a truck down there to tow me out right away.
It will help keep some of the road dust out of your air filter as well.. Like when you are following some one down a dirt road in the summer and it hasn't rained in a few weeks. That's about the only thing that I have noticed with mine. It does help keep the water out of the intake though especially on bad entries or where the depth was missjudged. I feel safer with it going into the water then without it as it adds a little protection. Ya, you can still mess up your electronics and other parts of your truck but, sucking water into your intake and having your engine die or lockup on you isn't good either. Some times that ECU will dry out and work again.. I don't think that a locked up engine will.