Previous DII owners. DII better offroad than LR3?
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In stock form, there is no comparison, the LR3 is significantly better. However, the DII can be modified to exceed the LR3's abilities, whereas the LR3 is not easily modified at all. The most you can do with an LR3 is fool the suspension into providing a minor lift above it's built in Off Road height adjustment.
If you are wheeling on trails of deep mud or very large rocks, I think the DII is going to be a better platform to work with. Otherwise, the LR3 really is superior in it's off road abiliites. The only thing that limits it is ground clearance.
If you are wheeling on trails of deep mud or very large rocks, I think the DII is going to be a better platform to work with. Otherwise, the LR3 really is superior in it's off road abiliites. The only thing that limits it is ground clearance.
Give it time, once the LR3 comes down in used prices, you will start to see plenty of after market goodies for it. Even with all the electronic subsystems it is a great off roader (However I still prefer my D1).
The 2 biggest things you can do to the LR3 to help it are, bigger tires (but not too big to interfer with the suspension) and protection for the vitals under the truck. The 3 big areas are the Radiator Endcaps, Transmission/Transfer case, and air suspension lines/pump. Once those are cleaned up your good to go.
Winslow
The 2 biggest things you can do to the LR3 to help it are, bigger tires (but not too big to interfer with the suspension) and protection for the vitals under the truck. The 3 big areas are the Radiator Endcaps, Transmission/Transfer case, and air suspension lines/pump. Once those are cleaned up your good to go.
Winslow
Do I need evidence? Since I have researched and now owned my LR3 I have seen a lot more companies with stuff for the LR3 onto the market. Some for off road. That market is bound to get larger, look at the D2 and D1 after market stuff, it is growing all the time. Who would of though when the Disco hit the showroom that it would of got such huge support.noee said:
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I will say however, the LR3 has a more "point and drive" feel to it. Once you select the right combo from the different off road modes all you have to do is drive. The vehicle will pretty much do the rest. While it is nice and will be nice in ice and deep snow this winter. I still prefer my H/L CDL on my D1.
Winslow
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Jiminy, I was simply asking if you knew something from some vendors that you might share with us. Defensive fuckers, you are. Not being a D3 owner but being a D2 owner, I am very familiar with the "situation".
The D2 does not equal the D1 in terms of aftermarket support and there are fewer D2s out there than D1s in the enthusiast realm. I would expect that trend to continue with the D3 as it is yet a further evolution of auto-magic and elect-trickery.
The D2 does not equal the D1 in terms of aftermarket support and there are fewer D2s out there than D1s in the enthusiast realm. I would expect that trend to continue with the D3 as it is yet a further evolution of auto-magic and elect-trickery.
What do "vendors" have to do with your original one-line question??
Like for like, the D3 outperforms the D2, on road and offroad. But for offroad, you can modify a D2 to a point of "like" that you can't (yet) approach with the D3.
You can get close though ..............
Cheers,
Gordon
Like for like, the D3 outperforms the D2, on road and offroad. But for offroad, you can modify a D2 to a point of "like" that you can't (yet) approach with the D3.
You can get close though ..............
Cheers,
Gordon
I am in agreeance with most replies here. My LR3 definately has a more comfortable ride on the roads, off road it easier to handle and drive. My DII has more of the trucky feel on and off road. I can and have done the exact same trails on both vehicles, the LR3 does seem to do it more easier, guess b/c it has more torque and terrain response. The DII is equally fun but in a less yuppie way.
Both vehicles are stock to the bone as far as off roading is concerned.
I guess if you want to mod one then go with the DII, for all other reasons anyone wants an LR go with the LR3.
On another note, I did the LR expierence at the Biltmore, drove the Range and LOVED it!! It WILL be my next new car purchase. Suggest it to everyone!
Both vehicles are stock to the bone as far as off roading is concerned.
I guess if you want to mod one then go with the DII, for all other reasons anyone wants an LR go with the LR3.
On another note, I did the LR expierence at the Biltmore, drove the Range and LOVED it!! It WILL be my next new car purchase. Suggest it to everyone!
stock vs stock comparison is useless, my modded d2 will tear up any modded lr3...while still fit to put her majesty the queen into my well appointed interior, its still wine and cheese IMHO(no interior or other butchery), whilst modded
do you wheel 'stock'?
the we dont wheel the same, not that there is anything wrong with it. most of the trails I enjoy neither truck can handle, stock.
its modded vs modded that makes sense to compare.
do you wheel 'stock'?
the we dont wheel the same, not that there is anything wrong with it. most of the trails I enjoy neither truck can handle, stock.
its modded vs modded that makes sense to compare.
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gmookher said:
What? Why is a stock vs. stock comparison useless?
"The trails you run neither could handle stock"... Again, what?
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nwoods said:
The only limiting factor for me is: IT DRIVES LIKE A MINIVAN.
otherwise, it's a great minivan.
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gmookher said:
Well, it depends on your opinion of "modded". Are you taking about only a lift? Because a lift, alone, would be considered "modded".
I could "mod" a Corvette and make it go places your D2 would never go.
So it depends on what you consider "modded".
I think what you're referring to is parts availability. There are more available parts for the D2 than the D3. So, you have more options.
But in any case, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an area where your D2 would kick the D3's ass. Your truck is not all that - it's not going to do the unthinkable. Your D2 is not unstoppable. The D3 kicks the D2's ass in so many ways, and then holds its own on the trail. The D3 is no trail beast and that's not what I'm trying to say. But the D3 does surprisingly well with a driver who understands how the truck operates.
I had an 03 D2 and an 05 LR3. Stock the LR3 is much, much better, that is until you snag the air tank on a rock and tear an airline...then your day is toast. Then you have to deal with LR to get it fixed. I have been roverless for 3 years. I was diagnosed with leukemia 7/17/08, and when I finish my treatment of chemo in december I am going to have another rover. There is something about rovers that I just don't want to be without. I am having a terrible time deciding on a D2 which will let me play off-road esp. with mods, or an LR3 which will cruise down the highway and keep my stress level up praying that nothing goes wrong off-road. Did I mention the trans would give a fault all the time which would require a "reboot" killing the engine and restarting? I think they have a lot of bugs worked out, but I just don't know.
The transmission stuff was fixed with a software patch. Took them a few tries to get it right, but it was fixed a while ago. There are rock sliders that available that deal with the tender undersides. You can see them at www.shop.offroving.com (direct link here: http://tinyurl.com/6jmpj3), and more things are being added by various vendors to equip the LR3 for offroading all the time.
no, no, I agree, a stock d3 will blow away a d2. Its an awesome minivan. That can wheel like no other at that...
but I think Dan hit it on the nail, there isnt enough around in the way of parts, yet, and likely it will never have the ease of upgrades, like adding a front locker for those of us who prefer a fully lockable truck. sure with enough time and money anything can be done..
I dunno, look at those thin stampings that make up the control arms of the lr3. even once you dress the belly of the beast and cure tha air line aka achillies heel of the d3, its just not rugged like a d2 trailing arms and solid axle
dont get me wrong, I got mad respect for the lr3...
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Would I cross water over the recommended wading depth on my d2? all day. on an lr3? not unless it wasnt mine.
but they do drive oh so sweet on the road too
this year there should be some lr3s at the rally,"modded" ... I look forward to seeing them on the 6/7 rated trails and up.modded. kicking all the modded d1/d2 truck's asses..
I am LR3 modding illiterate however, are there 16 inch wheels or is the uber capable "Modded for off road LR3" on larger rims and limited on MT tire choices on 18"s?
but I think Dan hit it on the nail, there isnt enough around in the way of parts, yet, and likely it will never have the ease of upgrades, like adding a front locker for those of us who prefer a fully lockable truck. sure with enough time and money anything can be done..
I dunno, look at those thin stampings that make up the control arms of the lr3. even once you dress the belly of the beast and cure tha air line aka achillies heel of the d3, its just not rugged like a d2 trailing arms and solid axle
dont get me wrong, I got mad respect for the lr3...
:stock:
Would I cross water over the recommended wading depth on my d2? all day. on an lr3? not unless it wasnt mine.
but they do drive oh so sweet on the road too
this year there should be some lr3s at the rally,"modded" ... I look forward to seeing them on the 6/7 rated trails and up.modded. kicking all the modded d1/d2 truck's asses..
I am LR3 modding illiterate however, are there 16 inch wheels or is the uber capable "Modded for off road LR3" on larger rims and limited on MT tire choices on 18"s?
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Yea, the D3 is limited because of the massive brakes. It came with 19" rims, and I found a set of used 18" (smallest that will fit) on Ebay so I could have some tire choice but you are indeed limited! I just want another rover!
I know this is a little off point but why not have a D1 or D2 for a trail rig, then have a D3 for moderate trails/ daily driver? Used D3s have gone down into the low twentys, lot of vehicle for the money. Trail rigs seem to go for about 3-5K depending on the mods. This is what I hope to do in the near future.
I have been looking for a D3 used again but it's hard to find one with the rear locking diff.... plus where do you find a D3 in the low 20s??? I have found them 28-29, but i am not willing to get another 2005, to many bugs!