Replacing Radiator Within Week

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RTLimo

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With my radiator leaking a little more and more each week I've decided to take the plunge and buy a new one. In looking around for NEW ones, I've decided to purchase from Atlantic British - Part No. PCC000650. In researching I found that I have the radiator without the "Air Injection" and some 99's have the "Air Injection" radiator. Watch your part numbers carefully. I looked at all the major players who are selling new ones and for $549.95, AB was the winner. Rover Connection, contrary to what others have posted, does not have PCC000650 in the $100.00 range. It was a misprint on their site and it sure seems correct at $560.00, as now posted.

Also, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our cooling systems use the DEX-COOL mix of Antifreeze? (DEX-COOL is orange if I'm not mistaken and I've read that the green stuff is not to be used in our Rovers.)

I'll post up once the swap is done this weekend or early next week.

Thanks,

-Zac
 
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dave-t

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RTLimo said:
Also, someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our cooling systems use the DEX-COOL mix of Antifreeze? (DEX-COOL is orange if I'm not mistaken and I've read that the green stuff is not to be used in our Rovers.)
-Zac
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I am not sure what they come with, but I would stay clear of any 'dex-cool' coolants and use Zerex G-05, its compatable with everything else and does not seem to have the problems that dex-cool has with turning into sludge. A google search will show you all kinds of horror stories from dex-cool.

Whatever coolant you decide to use the most important thing is to check its pH from time to time and replace it before it gets too acidic.

Zerex G-05
 
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Use the green. Not dex cool, it is crap.

I just put a new radiator from RN (one of the pro line ones) in my RRC and I like it better then the genuine ones. It seems to work very well and the quality seems great.
 
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DISCOINCUBUS said:
Did you try this place

WWW.WEBRADIATOR.COM
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Any site that wants a 'live chat' with you before they will quote a price can 'F' off in my book...

I searched high and low for a real deal on a rad for a '94 w/auto about 6 months ago and found that all the places that are selling OEM quality rads get between $500-$600.

FWIW I ended up having a local radiator shop put in a new core for around $400 but it was a high quality USA made core. The only reason I had them recore it is the guy that did the work has been doing rads for 40 years and I knew the quality would be good. If I had to do it all over again I would probably just spend the $550 and get one from BP or the likes.
 
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frickjp

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Bosch engine management uses OAT, or "red" coolant. GEMS engines use green, or standard coolant. New Range uses BMW coolant, which is standard coolant, but blue. If you put in the wrong coolant, ie: green, it will be topped up with the wrong coolant if it's ever serviced. Used what is supposed to go in it. If you're anal about coolant, VW/Audi G12 is decent stuff, and doesn't have the scale problems of cheap coolants. We used Zerex "Dex-cool" for a long time until LR came out with their own red coolant.
 
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RTLimo

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Where does one acquire OAT coolant. Is it from LR only?


frickjp said:
Bosch engine management uses OAT, or "red" coolant. GEMS engines use green, or standard coolant. New Range uses BMW coolant, which is standard coolant, but blue. If you put in the wrong coolant, ie: green, it will be topped up with the wrong coolant if it's ever serviced. Used what is supposed to go in it. If you're anal about coolant, VW/Audi G12 is decent stuff, and doesn't have the scale problems of cheap coolants. We used Zerex "Dex-cool" for a long time until LR came out with their own red coolant.
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I had mine recored at a local shop with a good quality american made heavy duty core for about $360, and that included having them install a petcock. I hate that most radiators these days don't have them. I took it to them one morning and picked it up the next afternoon, they had to order the core.
 
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The Limey

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Has noone looked into a aluminum rad....something like a fluidyne...just thinking out aloud....Also exploring my options for an upcoming engine swap...

Marcus ;)
 
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frickjp

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LRN2279 is LR OAT coolant. It's about $18/gallon. Any coolant meeting Dex-Cool standards will work. Dex-Cool is OAT When we run out we use Zerex 5/150 or VW/Audi G12. (We also have a VW store.) Zerex G-05 is NOT OAT, it is Therefore, it should not be used. There are as many different brands of coolants as their are opinions on their use. At LR, we can only use what the factory approves. Goat piss may indeed keep your car running, and in a pinch I'd use it myself. You're about to bite the bullet on a $500+ radiator, why skimp on coolant?
Also, GM's Dex-cool problems have nothing to do with the coolant itself. Their lack of preparedness for the alkalinity change between standard and OAT coolants left them using gaskets and seals unable to withstand the highly alkaline envinronment. The engineers who spec'd the OAT failed to tell anyone that it required different sealing materials.
Here at LR, we *never* leak, so obviously, we have it down! We have no issues with OAT coolants It has been in the cars since 1999, engineering was ready for the switch, sealing materials leak just as bad now as before, and no issues arise from it's use. We don't use an extensive array of O-rings and plastics, so there's nothing to be attacked. By the time Freelander rolled around, folks had learned from GM's mistakes, and changed materials for use with OAT.
The cooling system stays clean and free form scale longer with OAT than with standard coolants. I'd never recommend changing an older car over, the advantages are not worth the possibility of adding the wrong coolant.
Punch OAT coolant into a search angine and enjoy the millions of opinions. Somewhere in there, there's some fact, but day-in, day-out experience beats theory any day.
 
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frickjp said:
Bosch engine management uses OAT, or "red" coolant. GEMS engines use green, or standard coolant. New Range uses BMW coolant, which is standard coolant, but blue. If you put in the wrong coolant, ie: green, it will be topped up with the wrong coolant if it's ever serviced. Used what is supposed to go in it. If you're anal about coolant, VW/Audi G12 is decent stuff, and doesn't have the scale problems of cheap coolants. We used Zerex "Dex-cool" for a long time until LR came out with their own red coolant.
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Sorry to jump in here with my own question, but is Bosch engine management pre-GEMS? Like 94-95 NA Discos? I'll be changing my radiator next year. I currently have the green stuff in my 1994 D1. Should I change to OAT when I replace the radiator?
 
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frickjp

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Bosch is the '99 and newer engine management. Old injection was Lucas CUX was first in NA, then GEMS. '94/'95 D1 & Defender CUX. '96 and newer were GEMS. 99 Range can go either way, all D2 are Bosch.
 
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RTLimo

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I pinged Nathan and here is what I got back. Just a little cheaper but not by much over AB. I had to order on Tuesday and would have saved a little shipping with Nathan since they are closer than AB.

Interesting info about the 2 models of radiators though.

-Zac

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Hi Zac
The only one available is the PCC000710. This radiator can be used with or without secondary air injection. The PCC000650 is no longer available. You might find one that someone has is old stock. The price for the radiator is $530.00. Send me your zip code and I can let you know the shipping cost.

Thanks
Nathan

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(502) 876-8377 (502) 8-ROVERS

WWW.DiscountRovers.COM

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lunchbox said:
Call Nathan at disountbritishparts. He has radiators for less than you are getting ready to pay.
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RTLimo

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I don't see that. I went to their Speed Form and punched in Part Numbers: PCC000650 and PCC000170 and they came back as $618.00 and $547.35 respectively.

Where are you getting your prices from? I'm going to call them directly when I get to work and see what their prices are today.

-Zac

sven95lwb said:
Roversnorth has 'em for $379
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RTLimo

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Just dropped them a call and asked if the prices online are the most current, they are. He noted that the prices of the part numbers above took a nice leap just over a month ago due to a new process / distributor with LR.

Attached is my screen shot from RN....I have a Disco II.

I also asked him if the PCC000650 part was no longer available at some suppliers and he said it's still orderable thru his means. He had no info on the PCC000710 being the only one available and if it would even work on a non-air injection setup. (Just FYI.)

-Zac

sven95lwb said:
Looks like they jacked up the price on these...I paid 379 last month. Give them a call

PART # PLC062
RADIATOR & OIL COOLER
RANGE ROVER & DISCOVERY
$529.95
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