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JeffM

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Talk about crazy. What pisses me off more than anything is that Blair and Co are trying to hide behind the commitments they've made in Afghanistan and Iraq - they aren't ponying up with the real reasons - rampant illegal immigration and the selling out of Britain to the EU. No wonder alot of Brits I talk with are leaving the country :(

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070105/wl_afp/britaindefencemilitarypolitics

Now would probably be a good time for Argentina to invade the Falklands again.
 

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Now would probably be a good time for Argentina to invade the Falklands again.

Perhaps not!

Lieutenant Colonel Jones VC was my wifes cousin. The highest ranking soilder to parish in the Falklands war.

Lieutenant-Colonel Herbert Jones VC OBE (May 14, 1940 – May 28, 1982), better known as H. Jones, was a posthumous British recipient of the Victoria Cross.

Jones was born in Putney to a wealthy family, and attended Eton College. He joined the British Army on leaving school and was commissioned into the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment. By 1982 had reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel, During the Falklands War he was in command of 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment when the deed described below took place for which he was awarded the VC.

Command of 2 Para passed to Major Chris Keeble, and Jones was buried at Ajax Bay on May 30, near where he fell. After the war his body was exhumed and buried at the Blue Beach War Cemetery in Port San Carlos on October 25.
 
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A great perspective on what is happening


It's the Demography, Stupid
BY MARK STEYN
Wednesday, January 4, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

Most people reading this have strong stomachs, so let me lay it out as baldly as I can: Much of what we loosely call the Western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most Western European countries. There'll probably still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands--probably--just as in Istanbul there's still a building called St. Sophia's Cathedral. But it's not a cathedral; it's merely a designation for a piece of real estate. Likewise, Italy and the Netherlands will merely be designations for real estate. The challenge for those who reckon Western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the West.

One obstacle to doing that is that, in the typical election campaign in your advanced industrial democracy, the political platforms of at least one party in the United States and pretty much all parties in the rest of the West are largely about what one would call the secondary impulses of society--government health care, government day care (which Canada's thinking of introducing), government paternity leave (which Britain's just introduced). We've prioritized the secondary impulse over the primary ones: national defense, family, faith and, most basic of all, reproductive activity--"Go forth and multiply," because if you don't you won't be able to afford all those secondary-impulse issues, like cradle-to-grave welfare.


Americans sometimes don't understand how far gone most of the rest of the developed world is down this path: . . . .


The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birthrate to sustain it. . . .


Yet while Islamism is the enemy, it's not what this thing's about. Radical Islam is an opportunistic infection, like AIDS: It's not the HIV that kills you, it's the pneumonia you get when your body's too weak to fight it off. . . . .


That's what the war's about: our lack of civilizational confidence. As a famous Arnold Toynbee quote puts it: "Civilizations die from suicide, not murder"--as can be seen throughout much of "the Western world" right now. The progressive agenda--lavish social welfare, abortion, secularism, multiculturalism--is collectively the real suicide bomb. . . . .​
 

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Like the old sicence experiment. Dum a frog in hot watter and he will jump out, but slowly tunn up the heat and he will slowly die.... WERE ALL GRETTING TO THE BOILING POINT...
 

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peter sherman said:
Now would probably be a good time for Argentina to invade the Falklands again.

Perhaps not!

Lieutenant Colonel Jones VC was my wifes cousin. The highest ranking soilder to parish in the Falklands war.

Lieutenant-Colonel Herbert Jones VC OBE (May 14, 1940 ? May 28, 1982), better known as H. Jones, was a posthumous British recipient of the Victoria Cross.

Jones was born in Putney to a wealthy family, and attended Eton College. He joined the British Army on leaving school and was commissioned into the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment. By 1982 had reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel, During the Falklands War he was in command of 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment when the deed described below took place for which he was awarded the VC.

Command of 2 Para passed to Major Chris Keeble, and Jones was buried at Ajax Bay on May 30, near where he fell. After the war his body was exhumed and buried at the Blue Beach War Cemetery in Port San Carlos on October 25.

Sorry for your losses. I had friends over there as well.

What bothers me is that the British government is basically pissing on their memories - not just with the armed forces reductions that they are making (which in and of itself makes the job or those serving members harder and more dangerous) but also in other areas such as military pensions, and the closure of military hospitals throughout the UK.

It's at the point where members of HM armed services that are wounded in action and then transferred back to the UK aren't treated in a military hospital with their peers - they are sent to a regular ward in an NHS hospital. To me that's a disgrace.
 

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That was a good read.

A particularly insightful paragraph . . .

Lady Kennedy was arguing that our tolerance of our own tolerance is making us intolerant of other people's intolerance, which is intolerable. And, unlikely as it sounds, this has now become the highest, most rarefied form of multiculturalism. So you're nice to gays and the Inuit? Big deal. Anyone can be tolerant of fellows like that, but tolerance of intolerance gives an even more intense frisson of pleasure to the multiculti masochists. In other words, just as the AIDS pandemic greatly facilitated societal surrender to the gay agenda, so 9/11 is greatly facilitating our surrender to the most extreme aspects of the multicultural agenda.
 

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MarkP said:
A particularly insightful paragraph . . .

Lady Kennedy was arguing that our tolerance of our own tolerance is making us intolerant of other people's intolerance, which is intolerable. And, unlikely as it sounds, this has now become the highest, most rarefied form of multiculturalism. So you're nice to gays and the Inuit? Big deal. Anyone can be tolerant of fellows like that, but tolerance of intolerance gives an even more intense frisson of pleasure to the multiculti masochists. In other words, just as the AIDS pandemic greatly facilitated societal surrender to the gay agenda, so 9/11 is greatly facilitating our surrender to the most extreme aspects of the multicultural agenda.

Great article Mark - I took the liberty of forwarding the link to a few friends back in the UK.
 

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Well since I'm on a roll today and in the spirit of the Royal Navy that once ruled the seas . . . .

What's that saying? Those who fail to learn from history repeat it . . .



Is Osama bin Laden simply a Barbary pirate in a long running conflict?

Jefferson's Koran

Thomas Jefferson once questioned Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain about the continuing piracy of the United States ships to which he told the future President that it was their duty as good Muslims to take the war to the unbeliever:

Take, for example, the 1786 meeting in London of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. As American ambassadors to France and Britain respectively, Jefferson and Adams met with Ambassador Adja to negotiate a peace treaty and protect the United States from the threat of Barbary piracy.

These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, "that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

The first Barbary War lasted from 1801 to 1805. For US Marines the Battle of Derna is memorialized in the Marine Hymn—"to the shores of Tripoli".


The Belmont Club helps us revisit the Philipines of the previous centuries and how those less politically correct were able to pacify an Islamic insurgency.

The Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines Part 1
Friday, January 05, 2007

The story of the Islamic insurgency in the Philippines is the story of the gradual and partial reversion of Philippine territory, originally incorporated by the American wars against the Moros in the early 20th century, to its former state. Prior to the US pacification campaign against the Moros between 1899 and 1913 the Sultanates of Sulu, Maguindanao and Buayan -- Muslim Mindanao -- were effectively independent from Spain. Although the Spaniards nominally claimed the entire extent of what is now called Palawan, Mindanao and the Sulu archipelago, they did not exert effective control over it, anc could not have bequeathed it to a successor Filipino state. It was the Americans who accomplished that. . . .​


. . . Unlike American policymakers a hundred years later, the US colonial authorities had no intention of bringing self-rule or democracy to the Moros. With abundant models of European colonialism available for emulation, their goals were simple: divide and rule while standing off. Ironically this traditional colonial approach would come to be called "realism" in the early 21st century.. . .​


. . . The word was predatory. When the Spaniards arrived they found that the Visayan and Luzon coasts had long been harvested by Muslim pirates for slaves. . . .​


. . . If the Philippines was the precursor to Iraq, Mindanao was the precursor the Darfur. The US acted to stop the pirates and the match was lit. . . .​


. . . From a quiet beginning, an insurgency began to take shape. It included ambushes, raids and worst of all, suicide attacks. . . .​


. . . The most unnerving form of Moro resistance was the juramentado, or suicide attack. A juramentado attacker would seek to reach paradise by slaying as many nonbelievers as possible before being killed himself.​


But in an era that was far less politically correct, Leonard Wood's response to the Moro attacks was simply to call and raise. He smashed everyone who resisted and rewarded everyone who submitted. US forces "killed hundreds of Moros and burned their houses and crops. ... He and other officers expressed satisfaction with the results of these devastating campaigns. As a result of punishing one group of Moros, other groups that had been 'lukewarm and hostile' were inclined to submit to the Americans. Wood’s campaign effectively ended large-scale resistance by the Moros on Mindanao." A pacification campaign that began with "softly, softly" in the best British traditions; that emphasized "benevolent assimilation"; that gave the Moros local control became in the end a purely military operation of unrelenting savagery. Now on the run, the remaining Datus gathered their brave but desperate remnants at Bud Dajo volcano on the Island of Sulu. To Wood it simply made a lucrative target. At a cost of 15 KIA, he smashed them, killing 600 Moros, many of them women and children.​


The ferocity of Army operations began to arouse opposition in the civil administration. Wood was replaced by Brigadier General Tasker Bliss who decided the policies of his predecessor had gone too far. . . .​


. . . To make the government’s presence more visible, Pershing divided his forces into smaller units and distributed them around the province." (Doesn't this sound like the "surge" security strategy for Iraq?) . . .​



So the more things change the more they stay the same. The trap the current Western world has fallen into is that they expect the nice warm and cozy social welfare world to last forever.
 
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And, due to the same reasons (saving money) they have also shit-canned the annual "Royal Tournament" which was just the best showcase of the British Forces skills, capabilities and some (important) historical aspects. This was a great way to give a young person some idea of what the Forces are about, to encourage recruits and give some 'payback' for tax-payers. For some it was simply a 'good show' and a must see, either at the Earl's Court or on t.v.:mad:

It's just typical of the 'New Labor' and Mr. Tony B-Liar, to f*ck up our heritage in their attempts to make the U.K a republic (no offence USA people) and instate a 'President' of the UK.........what a bunch of arseholes.:banghead:

I feel for my relatives and friends that have to live there, and thank God I live here now - God Bless America! (that sounds like something an early settler would have written.....:rofl: )
 

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lrcb40 said:
And, due to the same reasons (saving money) they have also shit-canned the annual "Royal Tournament" which was just the best showcase of the British Forces skills, capabilities and some (important) historical aspects. This was a great way to give a young person some idea of what the Forces are about, to encourage recruits and give some 'payback' for tax-payers. For some it was simply a 'good show' and a must see, either at the Earl's Court or on t.v.:mad:

It's just typical of the 'New Labor' and Mr. Tony B-Liar, to f*ck up our heritage in their attempts to make the U.K a republic (no offence USA people) and instate a 'President' of the UK.........what a bunch of arseholes.:banghead:

I feel for my relatives and friends that have to live there, and thank God I live here now - God Bless America! (that sounds like something an early settler would have written.....:rofl: )

You got that right - I'm pretty damn sure my grandfather (RAF WW2/WW1) and my great uncles (Coldstream guards WW1/WW2) are probably rolling over in their graves over crap like this.

Makes you wonder what is going to happen next - probably turn the Tower of London into a fooken mosque :mad:
 
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JeffM said:
You got that right - I'm pretty damn sure my grandfather (RAF WW2/WW1) and my great uncles (Coldstream guards WW1/WW2) are probably rolling over in their graves over crap like this.

Yeah, my uncles too. One was a Grenadier Guardsman, (WW2).

They should get the heck out of the EU and joint NAFTA...

Andy
 

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JeffM said:
Great article Mark - I took the liberty of forwarding the link to a few friends back in the UK.

They should also read Mark Steyn's "America Alone"

Excellent review at Chicago Boyz

Steyn — America Alone

. . . . Now the concept of Anglosphere exceptionalism, raised by Jim Bennett’s 2004 book (The Anglosphere Challenge, drew its roots from Dark Age legal and cultural traditions of the AngloSaxons. Jim’s book outlined in considerable detail the exceptional nature of that culture in historical terms, its unique capacity to adapt to change across the last 1,000 years, and the impending challenge of the Technological Singularity for all cultures in the world. In many ways, the Bennett argument was a mature historical extrapolation from the exceptional nature of American society evident with the end of the Cold War. Suddenly, and dramatically, in 1989 America stood alone. How did it get that way? Bennett provided a credible historical explanation.​

While Steyn’s perspective shares many similarities with Bennett’s, it brings the “exceptionalism” argument up to date for the 21st century.​

Today, three-sevenths of the G-7 major economies are nations of British descent. Of the twenty economies with the highest GDP per capita, no fewer than eleven are current or former realms of Her Britannic Majesty. … Eliminate all territories with less than twenty million and the top four is an Anglosphere sweep: the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia. The key regional players in almost every corner of the globe are British-derived - South Africa, India - and, even among the lesser players, as a general rule you’re better off for having been exposed to British rule than not: try doing business in Indonesia rather than Malaysia, or Haiti rather than St. Lucia. And of course the pre-eminent power of the age derives its political character from eighteenth-century British subjects who took English ideas a little further than the mother country was willing to go.[p.167]​


A long review but well worth the time.
 

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peter sherman said:
Now would probably be a good time for Argentina to invade the Falklands again.

Perhaps not!

Lieutenant Colonel Jones VC was my wifes cousin. The highest ranking soilder to parish in the Falklands war.

Lieutenant-Colonel Herbert Jones VC OBE (May 14, 1940 ? May 28, 1982), better known as H. Jones, was a posthumous British recipient of the Victoria Cross.

Jones was born in Putney to a wealthy family, and attended Eton College. He joined the British Army on leaving school and was commissioned into the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment. By 1982 had reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel, During the Falklands War he was in command of 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment when the deed described below took place for which he was awarded the VC.

Command of 2 Para passed to Major Chris Keeble, and Jones was buried at Ajax Bay on May 30, near where he fell. After the war his body was exhumed and buried at the Blue Beach War Cemetery in Port San Carlos on October 25.

My RSM in the Paras was at the outcrop that H climbed up to to see what was holding up the attack...RSM Barry Norman...I think he was a corporal or sergant back then.
H Jones is still looked upon as a Hero throughout the Regiment...Proud to have served ni that same Regiment!:patriot:
 

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MarkP, thanks for referencing this excellent article from the WSJ. I'm passing it on to like minding and unlike minded friends. It's should be a wake up call to us and hopefully the UK.

I found this paragraph particullarly enlightening.

"This ought to be the left's issue. I'm a conservative--I'm not entirely on board with the Islamist program when it comes to beheading sodomites and so on, but I agree Britney Spears dresses like a slut: I'm with Mullah Omar on that one. Why then, if your big thing is feminism or abortion or gay marriage, are you so certain that the cult of tolerance will prevail once the biggest demographic in your society is cheerfully intolerant? Who, after all, are going to be the first victims of the West's collapsed birthrates? Even if one were to take the optimistic view that Europe will be able to resist the creeping imposition of Sharia currently engulfing Nigeria, it remains the case that the Muslim world is not notable for setting much store by "a woman's right to choose," in any sense."