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Grouseman

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Rooftop Camping,

How do you stay warm when the temps will be in 20's? I know you can get the rated sleeping bags, any other options?

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nosivad_bor

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you can also wear more clothes in a normal sleeping bag.

Use a foam pad or some sort of insulator so the ground or wind does not go under you. if on a rooftop i would make some kind of skirt so wind cant blow under the tent.

Frankly 20 deg isnt very cold. I'd just get a nice bag and forgetaboutit.

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bri

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If you know you are going to be camping in 20 deg weather get a 0-10 degree bag.

Marmot are the best IMO, but you really need to get in them to check for fit.
 

Roverlady

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I've got a 2004 Mountain Hardwear Unvierse SL 0 degree down bag and I love it. Haven't been in it in winter yet, but it's too darn hot to be in at even 45....so I'm thinking I'll be toasty all year! I love Marmot down too...was a tough decision between the two.
 

marc olivares

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i have to disagree with Bri, the marmont stuff is nice, but i think that the Mountain Hardwear stuff "rocks". Sus you'll be just fine in that bag.
 

bri

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Again the most important thing is that you fit in it and that it works for you so to each his/her own.

Marc, my thinking is...Mountain Hardware is good stuff for sure. However I have owned a fair amount of their gear and some of the fabric and stitching is only OK, especially for the price. Also depends on how much abuse you throw at it. I do however, really like the 30 deg 1.5 lb synthetic that they have.

MH do not have anything near as lightwieght as the Marmot 900 fill bag. I think that the super lightwieght stuff that Marmot has is a sign of their superior technical advantage. I have not had the issue with Marmot gear like I have had with Mtn Hardware.

The Marmot bag (lithium) in 0 deg is more than a full pound lighter than the Mtn Hardware and likely compresses smaller as well. Marmot also makes womens bags.

If you have not seen the N2S stuff from both companies you should check it out. Awesome stuff.

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I agree with both of you....:)

I've got two MHW jackets that have been through some pretty good abuse, and they look brand new. This is my first bag from them. I liked the colors (I know..I'm a girl) but also the fact that I could get the shorter length. My MHW also has an expandable panel the full length of the bag that allows for more stretching room and/or more insulation. Thos were the two biggest selling points. MHW is pretty pricey though, so I got mine on sale! ;)

I used to work at an outdoor gear store, and even though we bashed TNF on a regular basis, I have to say their stuff holds up better than I thought. But their service and reliability are spotty. You could get a good one or a bad one, sort-of like rovers! They've become too mainstream for the good of their QC, but still good products overall. My husband has a Blue Kazoo bag that has been great, although it's been pretty well taken care-of!


Either MHW or Marmot are great companies, they have their die-hard fans...and I don't have a problem buying from either one. Like bri says, you've gotta try them out and GET IN one!
 

rover4x4

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Gotta go with MHW I have one of their bags 3 coats and a vest, thier service/warranty dept is awesome. Marmot looks like but I am kinda liking those new down/conduit MHW bags. Thermarest's are worth it to, they make an unbeliebable diffeerence. the z-rest or ridge rests suck.
 

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z-rest doesn't suck if your backpacking. but if your camping in a rooftop tent go ahead and get a full blown self inflater mattress. TNF good company, quality is really good if you can find equipment before it was mainstream. MTH would be what i would put my money in with clothes and Marmot is a really fine company especially the precip jacket. Try the Alps Mountaineering Blue Ridge 0 sleeping bag.
 

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Grouseman said:
How do you stay warm when the temps will be in 20's? I know you can get the rated sleeping bags, any other options?

Shouldn't be a problem. A roof tent should have a nice foam pad in it (2-3" thick) that will be comfy and provide good insulation.

For the chilly morning you can get one of the little coleman catalytic heaters and use that to warm up the tent for getting out of the sleeping bags and changing clothes.
 
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I went thru AF Survival School in Spokane WA in November. They had us sleeping under a dried branch leanto on top of about six inches of pine boughs in a mummy bag. We stripped down to just under garmets (nothing fancy, just nomex long johns) and stuff the rest of our cloths inside the bag down by our feet. The dead air space below us kept the radiant cold to a minimum, and with a well insulated bag your body's temperature will bring it up to a comfortable level fairly quickly. And having some cloths (especially socks!) already toasty warm and ready to go in the morning makes things easier too.

Translated to your request, a skirt around your roof rack should help eliminate cold air flow under you, a good insulated pad on the bottom of your tent and then one of the quality bags listed above and you should be good to go.

I think the best item for poor-weather camping is attitude though. Treat the challenge of the cold the same way you treat the steap hill or imposing stream. You're there by choice, you will get thru it and you will have a good time doing it. If you think "Man, this is going to be cold and suck" then I bet you're going to be right.
 

Rovernut

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I use a Hannibal rooftop tent on my XD. The thick foam mattress, a quilt and the canvas walls are good well below the 20's. Of course, my wife sleeping next to me helps also ;)
 
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Best sleeping bags are Western Mountaineering, then the others mentioned. If you have a chance take a look at one. If you can afford them they're light, compactable, and high-loft.

This being said they're real Mountaineering bags, intended for fast and light which is something you don't really need to worry about in a rooftop tent where you have a thick warm foam mattress etc. So save your $700 on a bag and get something with primaloft or similar synthetic, the MEC line of bags are good not cheap like Woods etc and will save you about 40%-60% over a premium bag.

Years of hiking and mountaineering are handy when it comes to gear :)
 

benlittle

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Holy thread resurection batman!!! :eek:

Keep in mind if you get down wet, your screwed. Synthetic will still insulate, down won't. Hence the new pertex bags.
 

JackW

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Outside magazine highly rated the Sierra Designs down bag that has a waterproof shell. Its cut big for the "fuller fit" guys and costs around $369.
 

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I haven't tried the Sierra Designs bags, but I picked up a 0 degree "Big Agnes" last winter and it is fantastic. It is comfortable (big), and extremely warm.

They also have bags at other temp ratings in the same line.
 

flyfisher11

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The colder the less clothes! Get in your bag and get naked. I'm serious. Use your clothes as extra loft. Then in the morning your clothes are nice and warm. Your body is the heater. You gotta let it radiate. I didn't stay in a holiday inn express last night but have done a lot of winter camping as well as USAF aircrew survival school in Jan/Feb.

Cheers,

Mike
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gage092879

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watch out for the air mat. if the air that inflates becomes cold, then you become cold. look into you military surrplus store for a sleeping bag. the one i am talking about is really two in one. it has a thinner black bag for summer and a thicker green on for winter. the black fits inside the green one also for really cold weather. plus you can get them fairly cheap. mount hardw. is good too.
 

rover4x4

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check out a therma rester. ridge rests are shit. o yeah MHW 2 sleepin bags a sleepin pad two pairs of pants 3 coats a vest and i am sure ive left something out. they seem to still be an okay company. ArcTeryx pretty nice stuff also. I wouldnt sleep in anything other than a MHW bag. they are nice.
 

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I had (well, still have) a Thermarest, but it's really aged... used to, it would inflate itself well, but it got to where it wouldn't, and you had to blow into it... but then, moisture from inflating it breaks down the foam that passages inside there, so that over the years the internal foam's lost loft... it's just not as comfortable anymore. I've replaced it with a Ridge Rest; I felt like I was going backwards, going to a non-inflatable, but it's a lot lighter than the inflatables, and, you don't have to worry about puncturing or a spark melting a hole in it. My hiking buddy switched to a Z-Rest years ago, again, it's lighter, and it folds up into a smaller size than the inflatables do. It costs a bit more than the Ridgerest, though. Also, my old Thermarest, it was hard to stay on it, you just slid off... I had to wrap it with a layer of that spidery-looking rubber lace that you use to hold rugs in place... I think the Thermarest inflatables would be a little warmer if it was really cold out, but I'm not hitting Antarctica....

I've got several old TNF packs, and a TNF shell with a fleece jacket that can zip in. I had a zipper pull out of the fleece, and they repaired it for free. Not bad, considering that that fleece is 15 years old. When MH first came out, I really liked their gear. I still do, but it seems as though they followed TNF and have broadened their line into more ski/lifestyle type of gear instead of sticking with mountaineering, etc. (Of course, I'm the kind of fella who's still using a pair of Moss tents, so, it's not like I'm using whatever's the latest and greatest...)

For sleeping bags, I know who Gage was thinking of... back when I got fed up with sleeping in the rain under a bush with a poncho and liner and being miserable a cold M16 isn't much to cuddle w/), I picked up an overbag from Wiggy's... about the same size as the poncho liner, but much warmer, actually a light bag. You can then mate it to any of Wiggy's other bags; I've got their Ultra Light, but the Ultima Thule would be a lot warmer (too warm, IMHO, unless you're heading for Canada in the winter). W/ the two bags, you can put one inside the other, or pick one or the other, or, set it up for two, and have the light one under you and the heavy one on top, or vice versa, depending on your needs.
( http://www.wiggys.com/ )

And I agree, I stay warmer in a bag w/ the clothes off; usually put them down in the bottom of the bag, to keep them warm. Boots too, especially if it's really cold, keeps them from being so stiff the next morning. If it's not that cold, no, it's not worth doing that, but if you've got to break camp and hit the trail the next day, I'm just miserable if the boots are stiff and cold.


FWIW....