RR Question From A Disco Guy

helievacpilot

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A buddy of mine has a line on a 97 RR HSE 4.6 Vitesse edition. 94k miles, but looks like 30k. Converted to springs. Bright Yellow. Say's it's pristine. He thinks he can pick it up for 5500 to 6500. Deal or no deal?
Thanks - Bill
 

landrovered

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No deal, there are really only two Range Rovers, the Classic and the MKIII. The P38a is nothing but trouble, hell the front diff is on the wrong side.
 

Tugela

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Ask the same question at

http://www.rangerovers.net/forum

There is an entire section devoted to the problems that P38 owners encounter. Even if you don't want to register to post, just reading the discussions might be a sobering experience.

The fact that rr.net has an entire forum section devoted to computer diagnostics is also a good predictor of what you might expect from owning one.

That said, I have two friends who own P38s and love them despite the ongoing difficulties they have with electronics, codes, and air suspension. Run a CarFax check, take the yellow Rangie to an independent Rover specialist to inspect it, and based on what you find you can justify a lower offer to the seller.

Otherwise buy it and expect an expensive relationship or wait for a nice Classic to come along.
 

Dieter

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Can't say if it's a deal or not, but I have a 98 P38 as well as a 04 Disco.
I'm always working on the P38, but I love driving it. There is something about it.
And it is Range Rover!
 

eliaschristeas

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youll have to pry my classic from my dead fingers.... unless of course i have to sell it. but i do like the feel of a P38. The earlier ones were prone to all kinds of disasters but by 97 most of the kinks were ironed out. my favorite are the auto mirrors when you put it in revearse. however - 5500 seems like a lot for a 97 p38. maybe if its SUPER mint.....
 

jymmiejamz

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P38's suck. They drive and ride like crap and have even more problems than Disco's ( I know, hard to believe.) IMO they are next in line after the Freelander. Anyone buying a P38 should factor in the cost of a replacement BeCM for when the BeCM fails. If you plan on keeping it a while then plan on multiple replacements.
 

spikemd

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P38s get a bad rap, but I love mine. Haven't had it a long time, but it rides awesome. Not sure why jummiejamz doesn't think it rides nice. I also love the look as I think it is much cleaner than a disco.

As far as a 97, I would stick with a 99-02. They worked out most of the kinks from the first model years including 97 and upgraded to Bosch electronics and 4-wheel traction control. There is a ton of info on how to fix the common issues on rangerovers.net. People freak out about the BeCM, but you can get one completely rebuilt for $400 on ebay. The air suspension compressor can be rebuilt for $60 and the valve block for $40 rather than $1000 for a new compressor and $1500 for a valve block in the early days when noone knew how to work on them. I picked up my 2001 Range Rover for $7200 with 88k miles and it is in great condition. Doesn't leak oil and just fixed the throttle body coolant leak which is also problematic on the Discos. Hell, it is the same engine?!?!

a quote from another thread..."
suspension:
Air suspension is great when it works, but many people have problems/issues. Coil conversions for the P38 are easy to come by and no more involved than the old air-sprung trucks.

diffs:
when ETC was introduced on both axles in 1999, LR fitted both front and rear 4 pin diffs. Because the pumpkin drop is opposite of what the DII's is. With 4 pin, 24 spline differentials, I wouldn't worry too much with skinny tires. Add a locker in there and you'll want to have spares.


t-case:
The transfer case for the P38 was completely redesigned for this platform and shared nothing with the borg-warner time-bomb in the Classic. It's funny about the viscous units because when they "break" they tend to just seize at full lock up. Lockup is smooth and progressive off-road. It's also stout enough to drop a propshaft and drive home on. I would not want to entertain a tire size beyond 32" and heavy use with the viscous center, but for the most common "expo" type modifications it shouldn't provide any trouble beyond the norm.

I know of two blown up land rover transfer cases. the borg warner from my '91 classic I grenaded on the trail, and the 1999 LT230Q from a DiscoII that I replaced it with, which I had sold to a friend for his t-case swap in his RRC after mine was parted out. And it blew on the highway. While he and his wife were hundreds of miles from home on vacation. what was that about a Disco II?

With the 4 wheel ETC that began in '99 they are remarkably capable. On 32's or less and a coil swap, I don't see what the big deal is ... the '01 was supposed to have been one of the best years. I've been warned to avoid '02s and '95-98. 99-01 are the desirable trucks from this range. this information from a certified LR tech when i was recently pondering a P38.

The thing that gives the P38 a bad rap is the insane level of electronics powering all the luxury features and most of that rap was from the early trucks, especially '95-'97 which are considered the most problematic.
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Be patient. They are out there and be sure to find one with records. Its definitely a buyers market. Good luck.
 

jymmiejamz

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I think they ride like crap because I drive them just about every day. They are even more gutless than a Disco, and the air suspension leaves much to be desired. A coil conversion will make it ride much better and make the suspension system much more reliable.

I've seen a few with locked up viscus couplers, as well as a few blown up rear diffs (not sure if this is common, probably just run out of oil). Of course they have the same engine problems as a Disco, its the same engine... If you get a bosch p38 and plan on working on it yourself, do yourself a favour and get one without secondary air injection.
 

helievacpilot

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Thanks for all the replies guys. I passed on the info to my friend. He just wants a daily driver but isn't interested in doing his own maint. AND want's it to be reliable. I told him he's barking up the wrong RR.
Thanks again - Bill
 

lforgue8

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jymmiejamz said:
P38's suck. They drive and ride like crap and have even more problems than Disco's ( I know, hard to believe.) IMO they are next in line after the Freelander. Anyone buying a P38 should factor in the cost of a replacement BeCM for when the BeCM fails. If you plan on keeping it a while then plan on multiple replacements.

X2 FOR SURE I AGREE TOTALLY!
 

KyleT

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P38 without SAI is super rare, never seen one and couldn't get a ECU from one anywhere...

Mine rides fine, but I adjusted the ride height to make it a little more firm.

and Im pretty certain I am on the original BECM

and the t-case is nearly the same as a CLassic borg warner... just drivers drop.... even has the same viscous unit in it....
 

lforgue8

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jymmiejamz said:
I can't say as to whether or not they are rare, but I just did headgaskets on a 98 without SAI today.

98 would have been GEMS.....99-01 bosch there were some w/o sai 02 i belive they were all sai